Thanks for that, I know they are good razors and I like them for the reasons you said. I think guys are taking my comment of them not being properly ground as me saying dovos in general aren't ground right, but what I'm saying is that the ones with the issues like warping or whatever may have been ground improperly(or any other reason that causes a defect). I don't see where I mentioned a massive defect from the factory, but I think it was honed bad or way too much after it left the factory. Possibly to correct a defect or chip.