Thread: *P subtail razor early 1800's, looking for info

Originally Posted by Fikira

Yep

It doesn't help that the son of Stephen is Stephen, and the father of Stephen is Stephen,...

I just knew it because in the past I've worked at this for a while

For a second i thought you said "worked with them for a while" like "wait..how OLD are you?".

So that's what I was ultimately thinking that John Fox had the *P mark along with "running?" (idk the right verb to use here) Fox& norris with his brother in law. until he died...and I just realized that although john was the oldest he survived the longest, somehow i always kept remembering he died first. So he kept using the mark until he died I suppose yea?

So here's my question, why were some blades MARKED with name - both Sam and john, along with *P mark, while others were not? There are some examples of most likely Sam works with just a *P i've seen on this forum (i.e. blades with a shoulder and shape like early 19th cent. blades), while others just have a "*P" with no name. And yet others have a *P with a name, for John AND sam....why not put your name on some razors if you're gonna do it on others? Though, it makes sense if you're producing 2 distinct razors either at 2 periods of time or simultaneously: like Sam likely made razors before he got the mark and likely put his name on them, then started using the mark once he got it...but then why continue using your name on only some razors?

So far though, from what you said, and what i've seen, my logical conclusion is:
- John used the *P mark, and in fact signed his razors with his name.
- Sam made razors BEFORE he got the mark, just using his name.
- Later, once he had the mark, he started using it as well.
Did John make razors with his own name and use *P mark on those WHILST also allowing 'Fox & Norris' razors to use the same mark? (or smthg to that effect)

IN all of this, i'm confused about where "not signed, just *P" fit in. Like the one I have, it's most likely not an 1800's razor cuz shoulderless, and dip-at-toe like 1700s razors are...there's no indication of any name on the spine however.

Sidenote: I swear to GOD, 18th and 19th cent cutlers and metal workers had like SIX names and that's it, they were only allowed to use those six.

P.S: did you read my story - https://sharprazorpalace.com/razor-c...ml#post1861049

P.P.S: MAN this razor is LONG. I bought an slightly wider strop at 3.1 inches and even THEN i have to do an X pattern.