Thread: Classifieds policy change

Originally Posted by Bruno

In my experience, people either do the right thing without causing much fuss, or they want to have a detailed list of requirements to come as close to breaking the rules as possible without actually breaking them.

+1 on that.

Originally Posted by Bruno

In the end it comes down to this: either you trust us to be fair and try to make things work, or you don't and you leave.

Bruno for President !!



You have my vote !! lol

I completely understand what is trying to be acheived here.My understanding was this site was meant to be for honest gentlemen/gentlewomen and honest gentlemen/gentlewomen only.I have had nothing but pleasent dealings amongst my fellow members,with the exception of one or two,which I will not deal with anymore.I found that if you want to make a purchase,find out a little info first,sellers rep,etc.My policy is if you dont like it,I will gladly refund ALL your money back upon return of said item.I have went so far as to let them keep the item and issued a refund.I feel if I made a bad purchase or sale and it couldnt be resolved between us,then a moderator could step in.I think its pretty cut and dry, just back your negotiations like a gentleman.This is only my thoughts.

Good point RED!

Originally Posted by Big Red

First to the idea of satisfaction guarantee on everything. I don't think that is a good idea at all. for many reasons. I never expect that when I buy something. if it is as described fine, but I think this opens the doors to "tire kickers" who would buy something, try it out, decide they don't like it and want to return it. now maybe you don't mind people test driving your stuff, but if it is going to be mine I do mind. If I sell it and it is somebody elses than fine. now as far as somebody gets something, opens it, and it isn't what they saw in the pics and read about then I have no problem. and I think that people that have dealt with me and things have unfortunately not gone right will say that I do what I need to to make it right. my reputation is worth more to me than any razor. I think though that an unconditional satisfaction guarantee only works when everybody is workign with the same personal ethics, and that's just not ever going to be the case.

As for protecting the integrity of the forum in the classifieds, I think the shave ready is not the area to really focus on. let's be honest, lot's of ways to screw up an edge. the guys that I have used to sharpen blades for me thus far have all been stand up guys, offered to re-hone anything that I thought wasn't sharp enough. they stood behind their work. but here are some problems I see.

- person shaving with the razor doesn't know what they're doing. they strop it and kill the edge. or the blade doesn't shave for them. I had a razor sharpened by Glenn (only putting a name because this is a positive thing). the blade was WICKED sharp, but did not shave well for me. I told him I was confident in the edge, but the blade and my face weren't getting along. he insisted I send it back to be checked. I did, it was indeed up to snuff, I ended up selling it. had nothing to do with the sharpness, but didn't shave well. now, a person just starting out, can they tell if that is the problem? that is why i have started recommending to new guys that when somebody get their razor honed they request that the person doing the work strop it for them and they shave with it BEFORE stropping it themself.

- let's just be frank, there are relationships here, will this oversight realistically be applied fairly across the board? I have received pm's, when I first started and needed honing done, actually warning me to avoid certain people, and this is from experienced board members that don't appear to have beefs between them and indicated party. probably would never be mentioned to mods just for fear, probably unjustified, of reprisal or bad blood. so if a new guy, which I am guessing is our biggest concern with protection, comes on here and buys a blade and then sends a pm complaint about the sharpness, but the person sold it to them is well established, does it get less credibility? none?

I think the most important place to protect buyers, especially as it takes a while from my experience to get your feet under you looking at things and knowing what they are really worth, is from restored or reworked razors that are being sold above, sometimes FAR above, what the work is worth. I think I talked about this on a different thread, so won't beat it do death here. just summarize whatever I said before as "some people's work is not worth what they charge for it, and many of us see the problems and know it" it is one thing to encourage a person's work, point out the good things, but I've noticed that with one exception (And I'm going to thank Alex here) the forum is short on criticism. Okay, I understand that. it's something else though when a razor gets posted for a high ticket price and there are shortcomings. I feel sorry for a new guy that gets real excited over something, buys it, and only finds out down the road, maybe far down, that he's really upside down in it.

how can inexperienced sellers be protected from that type of thing?

Red

How about setting up some sort of an optional escrow service for an additional nominal fee to cover the shipping costs? The seller would be required to send the razor to someone trusted on the board like a mod, and the buyer would send the money to that same mod and once the razor has been examined and deemed to be in the described condition the mod would then send the money to the seller and the razor to the buyer. Since it's optional the buyer wouldn't have to get this service if he was buying from a trusted seller. Maybe one of the online stores owned by one of our members could provide this service for $10 or so.
The buyers should definitely do some research on the sellers and find out if they're reputable. I think I've seen a list of some good and bad sellers somewhere on here in the forums. Also, ratings system like could be set up to rate the sellers.
Sorry if I'm repeating anything that has been posted already. I didn't have time to read the entire post.

The only problem if you are not based in the country without such shop. It would make it very expensive. If you compare in what price level begginers usualy are it could make it more then the value of those goods they want to sell.

Anything that would involve shipping to mods would be unworkable.
Apart from the shipping cost, there is the insurance to deal with, and the pain of having things lost in that mail, etc...

Plus, we'd have to do a lot of financial transactions and keep track of who paid what...

I like the honor system.

Cheat a member and you get run out of town like a rabid dog.


It works for me.



I dont really understand all the hub-bub.