Thread: Classifieds policy change

Let me be Devil's advocate here, is it my understanding that the Mods will have the final say on what is and isn't shave ready? Am I understanding this correctly?

It has always been my understanding that the parties work it out amongst themselves, not in open forum, (so SRP doesn't get trashed in the process) If SRP steps in on every newbie complaint, you are treading dangerous ground. Most new shavers cannot hold the razor corrctly, let alone shave with it.

Originally Posted by zib

It has always been my understanding that the parties work it out amongst themselves, not in open forum, (so SRP doesn't get trashed in the process) If SRP steps in on every newbie complaint, you are treading dangerous ground. Most new shavers cannot hold the razor corrctly, let alone shave with it.

Zib has a point. By doing this, you are setting a precedent that SRP implicitly backs all sales. It *might* give a newbie incentive to contact the mods directly rather than try to work it out with the seller.

Now, I completely agree that if the parties cannot work things out between themselves the mods must step in. And if that is what this new policy is designed to do, then I am all for it.

Originally Posted by Leighton

Zib has a point. By doing this, you are setting a precedent that SRP implicitly backs all sales. It *might* give a newbie incentive to contact the mods directly rather than try to work it out with the seller.

Now, I completely agree that if the parties cannot work things out between themselves the mods must step in. And if that is what this new policy is designed to do, then I am all for it.

That is exactly what this policy is designed to do.

We do not back anything. But if we have a reason to believe that a seller is really misrepresenting shavereadiness, then we want to look into that before allowing him to sell again.

Originally Posted by Bruno

That is exactly what this policy is designed to do.

We do not back anything. But if we have a reason to believe that a seller is really misrepresenting shavereadiness, then we want to look into that before allowing him to sell again.

This is going to sound redundant because Gugi basically said, "you guys do whatever you want." But, are there criteria? I suppose I'm asking, what is the threshold test? A complaint by a reputable member? Just one blade that slipped through the cracks? Or a long history of fraud?

I'm sorry for asking this again, but I don't like opaque "I am the king and I'll decide when I decide" rules. I like to know in general what is acceptable advertising/honing and what isn't. I understand this is your website, but its also a community, and communities generally have written laws and rules that people are to obey. Thus, we know if we have violated a policy or not.

Originally Posted by Leighton

This is going to sound redundant because Gugi basically said, "you guys do whatever you want." But, are there criteria? I suppose I'm asking, what is the threshold test? A complaint by a reputable member? Just one blade that slipped through the cracks? Or a long history of fraud?

I'm sorry for asking this again, but I don't like opaque "I am the king and I'll decide when I decide" rules. I like to know in general what is acceptable advertising/honing and what isn't. I understand this is your website, but its also a community, and communities generally have written laws and rules that people are to obey. Thus, we know if we have violated a policy or not.

Probably another mod can address this as well, but it's not about 'I decide because I have the power to do so'. Airing dirty laundry is not pleasant for anybody regardless of the end result. That's why any discussions with the potential to do a lot of harm to people's reputation are best to stay limited to as few people as possible. The moderators are tactful and sensible, even if it may not be apparent, so I think an opaque process actually works best. One may argue that it creates a false idyllic sense, but my impression is that usually things get blown way out of proportion and that's the bigger danger to a community - everybody seems to be really quick to reach for the tar and feathers when it's not them.

And yes technically this is a Dictatorship, but it's one where nobody is forced to be a part of it. If power starts getting abused it won't take long for it to die on itself. I think this is a pretty decent assurance that things would work ok even if parts remain secretive. Everybody stays here voluntarily because overall they like it.

yea flaming and bickering is another downside of forums for feedback..

i dont think it would be hard at all to add a thumbs up/thumbs down thing in every sellers profile, that buyers can click.

or even just a 3 question poll in there profiles,
fast shipping : yes/no
Accurate ad: yes/no
comunication: yes/no

Originally Posted by gugi

Probably another mod can address this as well, but it's not about 'I decide because I have the power to do so'. Airing dirty laundry is not pleasant for anybody regardless of the end result. That's why any discussions with the potential to do a lot of harm to people's reputation are best to stay limited to as few people as possible. The moderators are a lot more tactful and sensible than most members, even if it may not be apparent, so I think an opaque process actually works best. One may argue that it creates a false idyllic sense, but my impression is that usually things get blown way out of proportion and that's the bigger danger to a community - everybody seems to be really quick to reach for the tar and feathers when it's not them.

And yes technically this is a Dictatorship, but it's one where nobody is forced to be a part of it. If power starts getting abused it won't take long for it to die on itself. I think this is a pretty decent assurance that things would work ok even if parts remain secretive. Everybody stays here voluntarily because overall they like it.

I'm referring to the criteria of even getting to the mods attention. Is it just one razor? Two? A certain percentage? Must the razor(s) be sent to a mod for eval first?

After it gets to the review stage, that is fine to keep it between the parties interested. But I want to know what the criteria is.

Originally Posted by gugi

The moderators are a lot more tactful and sensible than most members, even if it may not be apparent.

and yes technically this is a Dictatorship,

I like that Ivan, Is there some test or something that you guys take, I mean, My IQ is 129, I'm not even going get into the "Tact" part....

Originally Posted by Leighton

I'm sorry for asking this again, but I don't like opaque "I am the king and I'll decide when I decide" rules. I like to know in general what is acceptable advertising/honing and what isn't. I understand this is your website, but its also a community, and communities generally have written laws and rules that people are to obey. Thus, we know if we have violated a policy or not.

In my experience, people either do the right thing without causing much fuss, or they want to have a detailed list of requirements to come as close to breaking the rules as possible without actually breaking them.

For example, despite the lack of rules in the conversation, that forum seems to chug along fine without much problems. Even though I have no written rules to tell me when I can or cannot ban someone, very few people actually get banned. And when I do ban someone, they themselves know fully well they had it coming to them, and they usually thank me for not hitting too hard.

So in the case of clasifieds.... We encourage people to work things out among themselves. But if that doesn't work, and we get complaints from multiple people... then we will look at the situation, and do whatever we think is best. The classifieds is a community resource to help people buy good stuff. It is NOT a business front for people wanting to make as much money as possible. Using the classifieds is not a god given right.

In the end it comes down to this: either you trust us to be fair and try to make things work, or you don't and you leave.