Thread: FDA to crack down on home- based soap makers.

Originally Posted by gflight

Is that German exceptionalism rearing its head?

Not all at. Everyone knows that our Beers are the only ones worth drinking in this universe (Plzeňský Prazdroj was developed by a Bavarian brewer - just in case anyone would like to argue).

Craft beers are a fad. Just like "artisan" soaps. If you take a well made industrial Bier (ie one made by a traditional German brewery not owned by InterbrewAmBe or its likes), it will be superior to most craft beers in terms of consistency. Yes, at this point in time, people enjoy the odd strange tasting beer. And that's all right. We recently ordered 50 craft ales from the US over the internet, and they weren't bad at all. Do I trust them? To a certain degree, yes.

But here's the kicker: Right now, you can put almost anything from any source into a US "artisan" soap. Anything. Do I trust soaps out of Texas? Absolutely, emphatically, resoundingly not. At that price point, and with the tastable presence of super cheap fragrance mixtures almost guaranteed to have emanated from the Chinese equivalent of IG Farben, no, I do not trust these products. Add to that the rather strange, and allegedly accidental, mislabelling of their Cowcum butter stuff, and you have a compelling reason to cheer on the FDA for their endeavour. Cyanide, anyone?

Originally Posted by RobinK

and you have a compelling reason to cheer on the FDA for their endeavour. Cyanide, anyone?

Lost ya when you went here.

I would never wish to shut down entrepreneurship in favor of InterbrewAmBe or other big beer.

Berlin, which sustained some 700 breweries in the early 19th century, now counts only about a dozen firms. Amid the ruins, highly trained German brew masters are giving up and heading to the United States—even to sleepy Covington, La., where Henryk Orlik, a graduate of Munich's prestigious Doemens Academy, settled down in 1994. "I came here for the great American craft beer industry," the Heiner Brau founder told me recently over samples of freshly brewed pilsner in his charming little brew house just off the town square. Adding insult to injury, craft brewers in the United States have largely taken over the prestigious international-brewing awards circuit.

I also found this.....

A law enacted in 1516 to control prices and shield the baking industry from supply shortages by excluding rye and wheat from brewing, the Reinheitsgebot stipulated that beer must contain only malted barley, hops, and water (wheat and yeast were written in later). The decree—often described as a the world's first consumer protection legislation—dried up the ancient pre-hops tradition of Gruitbier, which likely included yarrow, bog myrtle, juniper, rosemary, mugwort, and woodruff—all perfectly useful bittering and flavoring plants. It also pulled the plug on Köttbusser, an ancient brew made with oats, honey, and molasses. While the Reinheitsgebot was actually overturned in 1987 as an impediment to European free trade, many German companies adhere to it for marketing purposes, especially in Bavaria.

I do not want to end innovation and the FDA will do that to favor Big Beer companies. Imagine the beers that could have been perfected in Germany without government interference.....

This is a quote from the statement of introduction of the bill by Mrs. Feinstein.

"This legislation is the product of many different groups working
together. I am pleased to have the support of the Personal Care
Products Council, which represents over 600 companies, Environmental
Working Group, Society for Women's Health Research, HealthyWomen, and
National Alliance for Hispanic Health. These individual companies have
also stepped forward to independently support the bill: Johnson &
Johnson, brands include Neutrogena, Aveeno, Clean & Clear, Lubriderm,
Johnson's baby products; Procter & Gamble, brands include

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Pantene, Head & Shoulders, Clairol, Herbal Essences, Secret, Dolce &
Gabbana, Gucci, Ivory, CoverGirl, Olay, Sebastian Professional, Vidal
Sassoon; Revlon, brands include Revlon, Almay, Mitchum; Esteee Lauder,
brands include Esteee Lauder, Clinique, Origins, Tommy Hilfiger, MAC,
La Mer, Bobbi Brown, Donna Karan, Aveda, Michael Kors; Unilever, brands
include Dove, Tresemme, Lever, St. Ives, Noxzema, Nexxus, Pond's,
Suave, Sunsilk, Vaseline, Degree; L'Oreeal, brands include L'Oreeal
Paris, Lancome, Giorgio Armani, Yves Saint Laurent, Kiehl's, Essie,
Garnier, Maybelline-New York, Vichy, La Roche-Posay, The Body Shop,
Redken.
I urge my colleagues to join Senator Collins and me in supporting
this effort to modernize our outdated regulatory system for personal
care products, and to cosponsor the bill."

Originally Posted by edhewitt

I am not sure that petitions against animal cruelty are bs, well unless you like being cruel to animals.

Ed, I didn't mean it that way. I think animal cruelty is bs! I do not like anyone who abuses animals so I'm very sorry if anyone took my comment wrong. My computer has also been over correcting itself & putting in things the wrong way.
Quite a few years back I had two dogs that got poisoned & it tore me up really bad. I was so torn up over it I wanted to get the ones who poisoned my dogs & poison them plus watch them die the horrible death my dogs did!
The website I posted............I sign even petition against any type of animal cruelty & more.
I love my dog..............can you tell?

http://straightrazorpalace.com/finer...ml#post1577218

Sorry to be off topic, I'm outta here & calling Apple again about this damn computer!

Robin you must have a very limited taste for beer. Lots of folks would argue that. Coming from a guy who has tasted beers from literally all over the world (South America, Middle East, Europe, Mexico, Canada) and I have had many fine beers all over the world. In fact, some of the best beer I have had was from Chile (been 3 times).


As far as the soap, its a shame big business will probably have their way.

This comes from a Gov that dumps thousands of gallons of toxic waste in a river in Colorado and effects the lives/health and the livings of thousands of people, yet does nothing about it. Wonder what the EPA was find for this act and have they paid for the clean up and restitution to those affected?

Irony at its best

Originally Posted by Lynn

Not a Feinstein fan by any means but what about the poor new guys with little to no wetshaving knowledge being directed to mediocre at best products by the hype, shilling and bullying going on out there?? Just sayin'.....

When I started I bought corporate brands because I didn't know about the artisan brands. I had no idea at the time that you could still buy pre-multiblade/cartridge razors or there was anything like an SRD-type store in existence.

If I go to shaving forums, word about shaving and personal care products spread like wildfire.

I could be wrong but I don't see an artisan soap as an abnormal risk. I've gotten sick on grocery store foods and restaurants but I still use them.

I just went to the US Senate's Website, and this Bill has gone nowhere.

Originally Posted by Augustagj

I just went to the US Senate's Website, and this Bill has gone nowhere.

That's good news! We don't need people to be shut out of their soap making business just because bigger corporations want to hog it all & if they did, some very nice soaps wouldn't be available anymore.