Thanks outback, that looks like a good way of doing things. Now I just need to play around with it and I'm sure I'll end up marking mine in a similar way. What's the best way to hold a small washer still (or bead cap, while I'm asking...) for drilling out the center hole? I've been able to do it in the past with a pin vise by holding it with a needle nose on the sides but that can mark 'em up and it still doesn't even work that well.