Thread: Some rather basic questions...

Originally Posted by Trimmy72

I'm still learning after 5 yrs. of honing razors

Chris,
I'm still pretty new to it all, but your perception here and my observation here on SRP is that the journey can be one of perpetual learning if one remains open and teachable. I hope to remain open and teachable. Every journey is different. Some drive Ferraris, other's prefer quadrupeds, some hiking and sight seeing.

For goodness sake, there are all sorts of new and "out of the box" honing concepts being tried by the greats! And, with great excitement, I've heard.

Thanks for all the information, guys.

Originally Posted by Siguy

Chris,
I'm still pretty new to it all, but your perception here and my observation here on SRP is that the journey can be one of perpetual learning if one remains open and teachable. I hope to remain open and teachable. Every journey is different. Some drive Ferraris, other's prefer quadrupeds, some hiking and sight seeing.

For goodness sake, there are all sorts of new and "out of the box" honing concepts being tried by the greats! And, with great excitement, I've heard.

Thanks for all the information, guys.

Exactly, my point, well said. "Remain open and teachable" I like what you're saying here. There are people that need a technical approach who need to know why? Then there are the I've done it people and it works, that's why, and yet others just "DO" because that's what or how they were taught and are uncomfortable outside of that box and they don't care why or how they got there, just so they can complete the task at hand. All of this is fine, to each their own. But know which one you're dealing with the results can be a lot more positive for both.

Originally Posted by NigelW

I can see that this will result in less hone area on both the spine and the edge than if the razor is honed without taping.

One layer of tape increases the angle ~.6 degrees on each side. Cosine of .6 degrees is .99995 So yes, a little less.

Originally Posted by Trimmy72

Exactly, my point, well said. "Remain open and teachable" I like what you're saying here. There are people that need a technical approach who need to know why? Then there are the I've done it people and it works, that's why, and yet others just "DO" because that's what or how they were taught and are uncomfortable outside of that box and they don't care why or how they got there, just so they can complete the task at hand. All of this is fine, to each their own. But know which one you're dealing with the results can be a lot more positive for both.

Well put.

Extends to all aspects of life.

Cheers,

Houston, we have communication. All systems go :<0)

I hope I didn't just sound like I was thumping on my chest. Yeah , if you look up smart a$$ in the dictionary you may see my picture right under the description. Guilty and can't help that. Nigel, I hope your learning curve gets shorter with each razor. Looking forward to hearing of your successes down the road. I am sure you'll get there. You have the determination.

Originally Posted by BobH

If you want diagrams http://www.coticule.be/wedges.html . Download the excel file to do the bevel angle calculations for your razor without tape and with different multiples of tape. It can also be used with hollow ground blades and anything in between.

Most of what people refer to as wedges today are not true wedges but merely heavy grinds. So long as the blade has any concavity to it then it is not a true wedge. A flat sided true wedge would be a bugger to hone without the use of a temporary false spine while honing. I don't think a diagram is necessary to picture that in the minds eye.

Bob

Not just a bugger to hone Bob - an impossibility. A perfectly flat blade of 5/8" or more placed on a flat hone creates too much 'sticktion' to make honing possible. The only reason we can hone 'wedges' is because they are not.

As for the OP - I very much doubt that you will ever get that blade geometry looking right by honing. That's not to say it will not be a good shaver, but in my opinion get used to the uneven bevel.

Originally Posted by UKRob

Not just a bugger to hone Bob - an impossibility. A perfectly flat blade of 5/8" or more placed on a flat hone creates too much 'sticktion' to make honing possible. The only reason we can hone 'wedges' is because they are not.

As for the OP - I very much doubt that you will ever get that blade geometry looking right by honing. That's not to say it will not be a good shaver, but in my opinion get used to the uneven bevel.

I agree about a true wedge being "near" impossible to hone. That is why I mentioned using a temporary false spine. It is temporarily clipped onto the razors spine for honing and then removed. There has been a post or two about that on here.

Agreed about the OPs razor.

Bob