Thread: Knot Sources Pros Cons

Here's a Thater knot. From what I can see, it's not hand tied. It's base is held together by an epoxy plug. A second type of epoxy is surrounding it, which means it is inserted into the handle at a different time. I believe Simpson doe this step all at one time.

“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”

― Bertrand Russell

If you are happy discussing matters with people who cannot distinguish between a manufacturer and a retailer, and who have never spoken to a manufacturer, be my guest. What is quite remarkable, however, is that the only people vehemently in favour of Chinese import knots are those with a vested commercial interest in brushes. How odd.

Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY

Here's a Thater knot. From what I can see, it's not hand tied. It's base is held together by an epoxy plug. A second type of epoxy is surrounding it, which means it is inserted into the handle at a different time. I believe Simpson doe this step all at one time.

OMG, not hand tied!!

Bob

Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY

Here's a Thater knot. From what I can see, it's not hand tied. It's base is held together by an epoxy plug. A second type of epoxy is surrounding it, which means it is inserted into the handle at a different time.

Could a senior moderator please look into this? The gentleman is spreading misinformation. The gentleman also has a vested commercial interest in competitor products. That is slander, a conflict of interest, and a violation of SRP's vendor rule:

What is a vendor?

SRP makes a distinction between commercial vendors ("vendor") and hobby sellers. Before you advertise on SRP, you have to ask yourself into which of these categories you fit. If you are a vendor, you must seek vendor status with SRP. You are a vendor, if you meet any or all of these criteria......

have a commercial website on which you offer shaving related products;
listed items for sale in the Classifieds on a regular basis.
buy or make items with the sole intent to re-sell them.

And here we are: https://www.etsy.com/shop/HarryWally

Thank you.

Not sure what is the violation Robin?
Being a vendor, or builder does not change the opinion expressed with the supporting picture that the opinion is derived from? Doesn't come across as slander to me either.
Don't need a mod to access common sense and opinion I hope?
JMO.

Originally Posted by MikeB52

Not sure what is the violation Robin?

In the rules quoted above.

Originally Posted by MikeB52

Being a vendor, or builder does not change the opinion expressed with the supporting picture that the opinion is derived from?

I expect anyone selling a product to understand the product. The notion that these brushes were not hand tied is a clear indication that the poster does not understand brushes. And not just Thäter, but Shavemac, Rooney, or anything else.

Originally Posted by MikeB52

Doesn't come across as slander to me either.

Suppose someone were selling brushes with cheap Chinese import knots. Suppose the main differentiator between said Chinese imports and quality brushes is the craftsmanship, including, but not limited to, hand tying said knots. Suppose that someone were insinuating that the differentiator did not exist. What else would you call that but slander?

I think it's funny you automatically think my post was bashing Thater. I love that brush far more than any of my Chinese badger brushes.

It's is a given the hair is sourced from China.

Having said that, I think the individual, or the process dictated by whatever company, is the big differentiator between brushes. What hairs are selected, how they are arranged, etc., is obvious to me being the difference between a mail order knot and one from the the recognized producers.

I didn't think a brush could get much better than a Plisson HMW, and I strongly held on to that prejudice, but in the end, the Thater 4125 was easily as nice, and in some ways nicer. Simpson, Rooney, and of course M&F all handle differently, that is where the YMMV comes in, but personally, the difference between the high end brushes is substantial in my opinion, and the M&F seems in a class all it's own it has so many different properties and unique characteristics, if I could keep only one, it would be the Morris and Forndran - so the only thing I can attribute to this is how the actual knot is put together and by who or what process.

Just my humble opinion...

I'm with ya, I get it, and am hip to inference and insinuation. I just don't get it from the post is my point.
He has a thater head in his hand in the pic and says it looks like it's epoxied twice, not hand wound. Doesn't say that that unto itself makes it a cheap chinese or any of the other things you read into what was not written.
What you expect the author to know or not know is kind of subjective as well, isn't it? Not to mention sort of presumptuous on your part?
That's all I'm saying. I dig your posts, and HarryWally's as well. I just don't think what you are accusing or implying his intent was is just in this circumstance.
Cheers.

Originally Posted by RobinK

Could a senior moderator please look into this? The gentleman is spreading misinformation. The gentleman also has a vested commercial interest in competitor products. That is slander, a conflict of interest, and a violation of SRP's vendor rule:


Thank you.

Robin - settle down, no need to go full drama, he was just expressing his opinion, sheesh, post a reply, look back in the thread and a huge drama bomb has gone off again....really!?!

I'm out - another good conversation ruined....