Thread: Interesting Perspective on the State of American Manhood

Interesting article from the American Spectator
The American Spectator : Two Males, No Men

Complete total bullshit.

What a complete load of rubbish, not just the point of the article, but the journalism itself, it took me half the article or more to ascertain the actual story.
I grew up without a father, and I am nothing like either of these guys, I would imagine it is more a product of where they are from than who raised or failed to raise them.
As for citing Raymond and homer they are buffoons its comedy, what about bill Cosby - a good role model and no buffoon, I am sure there are more but it is 4am and I can't think of them.
As for robots and foreigners taking all the men's jobs, preumably some of these foreigners are men, and with robots is the author saying men should be working in factories lifting heavy stuff and doing repetitive tasks, I would suggest that the author of the article consider going and lifting some heavy stuff and doing some repetitive tasks not writing.

Interesting read and some of it may in some small way have contributed to the males they became. There are too many other things that contribute/influence the type of people we become for that to be the sole cause. People are too complex for simple answers to work.

Bob

Well first off(Going to play the devils advocate here now) he was talking about american males and not males in other countries.So if you don't live in America how can you form an opinion? Secondly I have always tried to aspire to be like my dad and grandfathers .So at least for myself I would ask the question ...If I were living in their time would I fit in? If there is something I am doing that would get critisized by the men of that time then I anylize it. If you are living by 21st century standards but wish to be like your forefathers then that is the criteria you might want to use to see if you're acting grown up or not. In other words...if you were at the bar back say in the 1940's with other men of that time....do you think they would shun or accept you and depending on that answer..how would you react? Otherwise...let the winds of judgement fall where they may. And third if you feel this article does not apply too you then don not be offended...if you are offended...ask yourself why ? If it doesn't apply to you then why care one way or the other? Just food for thought is all . Have a nice day and keep your stress low .

One more thing.............when separating the men from the boys remember...to be a boy is to overreact and throw a tantrum to be a man is to think before getting angry or even deciding to quell the anger.

I just think it is bad logic. I mean he cites a study that cannot be generalized to all men. He does not cite the source of the study either. He uses two men who do not represent the masses of young men growing up today or in the past eighty . years. You cannot draw conclusions based on two men. That is just not going to cut it. At best you could say it is a case study for violence in America. That is all. I am not offended by the premise of the article but the logic used to arrive at his conclusion. I hate faulty logic. It seems the author is dreaming of some imaginary past that in fact never really existed.

Originally Posted by Nightblade

Well first off(Going to play the devils advocate here now) he was talking about american males and not males in other countries.So if you don't live in America how can you form an opinion? Secondly I have always tried to aspire to be like my dad and grandfathers .So at least for myself I would ask the question ...If I were living in their time would I fit in? If there is something I am doing that would get critisized by the men of that time then I anylize it. If you are living by 21st century standards but wish to be like your forefathers then that is the criteria you might want to use to see if you're acting grown up or not. In other words...if you were at the bar back say in the 1940's with other men of that time....do you think they would shun or accept you and depending on that answer..how would you react? Otherwise...let the winds of judgement fall where they may. And third if you feel this article does not apply too you then don not be offended...if you are offended...ask yourself why ? If it doesn't apply to you then why care one way or the other? Just food for thought is all . Have a nice day and keep your stress low .

I don't necessarily think you need to aspire to be like anyone to know what is generally acceptable behaviour, certainly I would not fit in to a typical 1940's pub though that would be more my grand fathers generation, I don't believe in god and I have no problem with homosexuality, these are two examples of why I would probably not fit in unless I were somewhere fairly enlightened, however I do know that fighting, and certainly beating someone who is down are wrong and as I said I grew up in a single parent family raised by my mum, I don't really see what the country the story was written about is necessarily relevant, except for the bit about the gun, but I won't go there.
Kids from any sort of home can and do react in these ways, the author just happens to have found an incident that supports his story, there are many others that wouldn't.
Should a father beat his child because the child did wrong, should the father be the main disciplinarian or bad cop, should the father go out after work with friends and only see his kids at dinner and bed time? no I don't think so but that was how things used to be done when men were men. By the same token should a mother stay at home and do all the domestic work and otherwise raise the kids again that would be traditional, only if she wants to.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant it isnt, and I don't mean to offend you nightblade, and I realise that not everyones circumstance would be the same, certainly this wasn't my experience, but I was trying to make a point. Tradition is good provided it can accomodate changing standards, by that I mean common courtesy and respect should be expected of all, but not for no reason, why would I respect my elders if that respect isn't deserved? We are all equiped witha moral compass, some*just need to use it

I'm not offeneded ? Off to work have fun.

Originally Posted by Nightblade

I'm not offeneded ? Off to work have fun.

Just covering myself, I have a talent for saying things in such a way as to irk people, regardless of my intention. I am just off to bed after nightshift, have a good day.