Thread: Strike against Syria

Originally Posted by Brenngun

To borrow a phrase "what's absolutely astounding". To me it's the number of citizens who don't use the one most powerful tool they have in their hands (their vote) to affect democratic change. They don't seem to take it seriously. They think it makes no difference. This couldn't be farther from the truth. If you don't like the way your government is working then organize and communicate your displeasure to your elected representative. Do it effectively and continuously. Don't just complain about it or theorize why it doesn't or won't work. Ultimately use your collective vote to change it. After all it is a democracy.

I'll say, this part of your post is spot on (except for the bit about it being a Democracy). Too many who have the power to stop the things they dislike in government don't even try to change it. Though, it's also tough to do when your elected official votes the opposite direction from the majority.

Its like a menu, you want steak but theres only chicken and fish. Thats the voting system. I may like fish better than chicken but I cant pick the steak cuz it isnt on the menu. .

Originally Posted by crouton976

I'll say, this part of your post is spot on (except for the bit about it being a Democracy). Too many who have the power to stop the things they dislike in government don't even try to change it. Though, it's also tough to do when your elected official votes the opposite direction from the majority.

I'm gonna agree with that. It's too easy to say all you gotta do is vote and participate. For those of us who do vote, I would say there is a feeling of frustration about that being seemingly ineffective and futile anymore but that's just this one mans opinion. Not too mention ya read anymore about people being targeted when they speak up or against , so again the frustration and futility sets in.

Originally Posted by bill3152

Its like a menu, you want steak but theres only chicken and fish. Thats the voting system. I may like fish better than chicken but I cant pick the steak cuz it isnt on the menu. .

This to me is the only thing that makes any sense in the whole democracy vs republic debate. It is that way in almost all multi party systems of government.

You can't always get what you want so go for the closest fit. The other choices are having no choice at all or total chaos of having all independents.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

This to me is the only thing that makes any sense in the whole democracy vs republic debate. It is that way in almost all multi party systems of government.

You can't always get what you want so go for the closest fit. The other choices are having no choice at all or total chaos of having all independents.

Bob

Everybody gets some, but nobody does get it all. Even those in the minority (opposition) . No matter if you're pro government or opposition parties. Even government coalition cannot take the role of the dictator.

The question if it's better or worse is of course up to everyone's opinion. I like the multi party system. Just securing no party would ever grow too strong to be the sole king of the hill. Too many sad examples in history and present.

Originally Posted by Sailor

I like the multi party system. Just securing no party would ever grow too strong to be the sole king of the hill. Too many sad examples in history and present.

100% agreed Sailor.

Tom leherer a man for all time it seems... yet another seemingly appropriate vid .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvs_qTnUHMI

Originally Posted by crouton976

I'll say, this part of your post is spot on (except for the bit about it being a Democracy). Too many who have the power to stop the things they dislike in government don't even try to change it. Though, it's also tough to do when your elected official votes the opposite direction from the majority.

You mean like this?

Boehner: 'I'm Going to Support the President's Call for Action' in Syria | The Weekly Standard

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

You mean like this?

Boehner: 'I'm Going to Support the President's Call for Action' in Syria | The Weekly Standard

Exactly. What dismays me even further is the quote from him:

Originally Posted by John Boehner

"I appreciate the president reaching out to me and my colleagues in the Congress over the last couple of weeks. I also appreciate the president asking the Congress to support him in this action. This is something that the United States as a country needs to do. I'm going to support the president's call for action. I believe my colleagues should support this call for action. We have enemies around the world that need to understand that we're not going to tolerate this type of behavior. We also have allies around the world and allies in the region who also need to know that America will be there and stand up whether it is necessary."

Wow, John... thanks for trying to shame us and guilt trip us into going along with something we have no desire to do.

I'll just leave this here...