Thread: Piece of History: A Canadian talks about American's

Lets just say kids singing about Obama, of whom they likely know or care little about, and who is near the end of his last possible elected term never to be president again, is pretty non consequential. I doubt that in the future kids will be singing about him after he is history. Now if he was president for life/dictator of some banana republic you might want to get excited and break that spell.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

Lets just say kids singing about Obama, of whom they likely know or care little about, and who is near the end of his last possible elected term never to be president again, is pretty non consequential. I doubt that in the future kids will be singing about him after he is history. Now if he was president for life/dictator of some banana republic you might want to get excited and break that spell.

Bob

Yet the simple thought of it makes me throw up a little in the back of my throat...

Many Americans find this to be against the very fabric of what it means to be American, myself included...

"Perhaps most importantly, Washington's presidential restraint, solemnity, judiciousness, and nonpartisan stance created an image of presidential greatness, or dignity, that dominates the office even today. He was the man who could have been a king but refused a crown and saved a republic."

This of course was written before Oba'Me took the office, Oba' Me is the name that his own people have given him, as it is all about him, the Me, me, me, President


Please do the searches and show me songs sung about other sitting Presidents while they were in office...

Originally Posted by earcutter

There is this quote:

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross”

and as well worded and true as it may or may not be, the way I see it is, When anything comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.

But then, hasn't that always been true? Even before America was imagined in some European's mind? I mean think of the last superpower before the American/Russian competition, England. It marched forth with Gods grace and a flag as well.

Now, as we study history we see fancy pictures of Brits placing the Union Jack in all kinds of places and somewhere in the background, there is a man of God, bible open, making the whole action one of legitimacy before the eyes of God... didn't matter that those they conquered (including its own citizens) prayed to a different God and sang the praises of another flag.

That's all to say that when you wear anything on your sleeve, it becomes a tool for propaganda. If you love and have a relationship with your God - you are blessed. Of course when you begin to proselytize, as well meaning as you may be, you are merely using your God as a tool to push your way of life unto others. When you claim that your government should see things through the eyes of your God, well, then you are... perusing fascist ideology.

When you have love for country, your desires to participate in the community that is your nation, is bolstered. This makes you a better citizen. But when you start to wave your flag and say this is how someone should think in a democracy if you are a (insert nationality)... yup, again your pushing fascism ideals.

Alas change is a hard thing to swallow, and when your God is being separated from state, as the forefathers envisioned in America due to issues deriving out of what they saw in England, and your country's "values" are seemingly attacked by the ebbs and flows of a changing populous in a democracy, its normal to feel threatened. But to take up arms and call for a fight... that's what terrorists do. That's what America has so strongly fought against throughout the years.

To see people within its boarders pursue such agenda's I think, is the greatest form of treason there is.

Whoa, lets all take a Xanax here. We're talking about the nation anthem if I'm not mistaken. Suddenly we're bringing kids up to be fascists? Can you really be serious about this? LOL

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Yet the simple thought of it makes me throw up a little in the back of my throat...

Many Americans find this to be against the very fabric of what it means to be American, myself included...

"Perhaps most importantly, Washington's presidential restraint, solemnity, judiciousness, and nonpartisan stance created an image of presidential greatness, or dignity, that dominates the office even today. He was the man who could have been a king but refused a crown and saved a republic."

This of course was written before Oba'Me took the office, Oba' Me is the name that his own people have given him, as it is all about him, the Me, me, me, President


Please do the searches and show me songs sung about other sitting Presidents while they were in office...

I agree with this 100%. But the point I was trying to make is that THIS is only part of how the left influences those that are for the most part disengaged from the process and debate. As a kid you go to school and sing a nice happy song about Obama. Later you go to your Spanish class and are asked "come se dice, 'Bush lied' en Espanol? Schools are SUPPOSED to offer education without political persuasion. But hey, since its all fair in love and war, I suggest that the right employ similar tactics and be just as unapologetic about doing so.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

I suggest that the right employ similar tactics and be just as unapologetic about doing so.

Many would suggest that we did in the past

Schools at one time not long ago taught

Strive to be winners
Capitalism is good and what makes America strong
Some people get A's and some don't
Rugged Individualism should be a goal to achieve
Men support their wives and family
Pull yourself up by your own Bootstraps
If a neighbor needs help lend a hand
The Golden Rule
Work hard, don't spend more than you make, and save what you can.


and the ever important "There are starving children in xxxxx eat the food on your plate, and finish your Milk"

Originally Posted by earcutter

Alas change is a hard thing to swallow, and when your God is being separated from state, as the forefathers envisioned in America due to issues deriving out of what they saw in England, and your country's "values" are seemingly attacked by the ebbs and flows of a changing populous in a democracy, its normal to feel threatened. But to take up arms and call for a fight... that's what terrorists do. That's what America has so strongly fought against throughout the years.

To see people within its boarders pursue such agenda's I think, is the greatest form of treason there is.

Earcutter, I have to very adamantly, but respectfully, disagree with you on this.

While change may be a hard thing to swallow, so to is unwarranted spying and snooping by the Government.

Though I'm not religious, for many seeing God separated from state is hard to swallow (though it was never intended to be that way by the founding fathers). So too is an assimilation of the individual by the state.

A country's values being seemingly attacked is a VERY hard pill to swallow, but only if such an attack is undermining to individualism and liberty, and also if it is carried out against the will of the people by their government.

If this nation were in fact a Democracy, things would actually be much simpler, as the majority vote OF THE PEOPLE would always rule.


Taking up arms and calling for a fight may be what terrorists do. It is also what those who wish to be free of tyranny and oppression and greed do as well. A person who is considered a terrorist or treasonous by government is often considered a hero and revolutionary by those not in government. One need only look at Edward Snowden to realize this.

To see people within a nations borders NOT pursue such agendas when being robbed of their individual rights, liberties and freedoms to live their own lives I THINK is the greatest form of treason there is.

Not treason against the government, treason against yourself and your countrymen.

One more thing... as far as education being left leaning...

Predominately, the right has encouraged individual liberties. Not always, but more so than the left.

How many schools have "free speech zones" on campus? How many do not?
How many states are switching to common core in education? How many are not?
How many schools encourage individualism? How many do not?
How many teachers/school administrators/professors do you know who lean left? How many lean right?

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Many would suggest that we did in the past

Schools at one time not long ago taught

Strive to be winners
Capitalism is good and what makes America strong
Some people get A's and some don't
Rugged Individualism should be a goal to achieve
Men support their wives and family
Pull yourself up by your own Bootstraps
If a neighbor needs help lend a hand
The Golden Rule
Work hard, don't spend more than you make, and save what you can.


and the ever important "There are starving children in xxxxx eat the food on your plate, and finish your Milk"

Sounds like fascism if you ask me.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Whoa, lets all take a Xanax here. We're talking about the nation anthem if I'm not mistaken. Suddenly we're bringing kids up to be fascists? Can you really be serious about this? LOL

LOL - I am perfectly calm and serious about the whole topic brother. But thanks for your concern. I'll ask my doctor next time I see her if she thinks I should take some Xanax .

Anyway, I am sorry you can't make the connection - but there is nothing I can do about that .

Originally Posted by earcutter

LOL - I am perfectly calm and serious about the whole topic brother. But thanks for your concern. I'll ask my doctor next time I see her if she thinks I should take some Xanax .

Anyway, I am sorry you can't make the connection - but there is nothing I can do about that .

Tonight as I'm watching my Blackhawks open their hockey season, I'll keep an eye out for any fascists in the crowd during the national anthem. I hope we live through it.