Thread: The world I would love to live in.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Why did Obama just ask congress for 1.4 Billion to handle the influx of tens of thousands of children crossing the mexican borders into the U.S
They are being fed,housed and clothed by the feds as we speke.

That comes uynder other emergency and humanitarian aid. The kind of thing we have always done. Of course we could do nothing but we can't send them to Mexico because they won't take them so we either put them into concentration camps to die or let them fend for themselves on the streets of cities and maybe word gets back home and that stops the influx.

Back in the 80s when we had "amnesty" there was a huge influx of people to get in before any cutoff dates were established. What is happening now is no different just that it's children so it's getting media attention.

I agree that most people are inherently good and want to do good in their lives, and the world in general. Unfortunately, you are correct, there are some bad apples; people who are wired so differently as to confuse and confound the rest of us by their propensity for pure evil.

I don't see the pursuit of power as necessarily wrong. We all seek the power to control our own lives and destinies which is perfectly good and legitimate. Some of us seek administrative power because we think we could do a better job than the incumbent. I suppose power for powers sake could be seen as odd. Especially when said power might be wielded arbitrarily, and especially, as it may harm others.

When speaking of power in government, the United States was founded with rules/ laws designed to check that power. Designed such that power remained with and emanated from the sovereign people (the rightful arbiters of power) who consented to government only that amount of power necessary to achieve the greatest common good, and nothing more.

Unfortunately over one hundred years of progressive era ideology and policy has severely mucked and adulterated the system holistically, and has made it difficult, if not impossible, for many well meaning Americans to sort out the mess.

Just keep thinking, reading, and asking questions. You are on the correct path.

You might start, if you haven't already, by reading John Locke "Two Treaties of Government" and comparing to a study of the progressive era, especially President Woodrow Wilson and his views on natural law.

Originally Posted by Double0757

Some have describe very ideal worlds we would love to live in!

One thing I know is that it start with the man in the mirror.

When I look in the mirror and I don't like what I see, the selfishness, the greed, the un compassion, or any thing that doesn't make this world a better place, I ask and seek wisdom and conviction from a higher power. I do this every day of my life. The person I didn't like when I saw my self in the mirror start to die and the person I see that I like, is not me!

And this is how I believe, I'm helping to shape a better world to live in!

Everytime I look in the mirror..it cracks. Sheesh !

Originally Posted by honedright

I agree that most people are inherently good and want to do good in their lives, and the world in general. Unfortunately, you are correct, there are some bad apples; people who are wired so differently as to confuse and confound the rest of us by their propensity for pure evil.

I don't see the pursuit of power as necessarily wrong. We all seek the power to control our own lives and destinies which is perfectly good and legitimate. Some of us seek administrative power because we think we could do a better job than the incumbent. I suppose power for powers sake could be seen as odd. Especially when said power might be wielded arbitrarily, and especially, as it may harm others.

When speaking of power in government, the United States was founded with rules/ laws designed to check that power. Designed such that power remained with and emanated from the sovereign people (the rightful arbiters of power) who consented to government only that amount of power necessary to achieve the greatest common good, and nothing more.

Unfortunately over one hundred years of progressive era ideology and policy has severely mucked and adulterated the system holistically, and has made it difficult, if not impossible, for many well meaning Americans to sort out the mess.

Just keep thinking, reading, and asking questions. You are on the correct path.

You might start, if you haven't already, by reading John Locke "Two Treaties of Government" and comparing to a study of the progressive era, especially President Woodrow Wilson and his views on natural law.

Amen to that. Fundamentally, they believe that the average American isn't "smart enough" to know what's best for him or her and is moving us from a Country of independence to one of dependence. A Government that is big enough and powerful enough to give you everything you want is also big enough and powerful enough to take everything you have.

Frank

Yea folks want to go back to the 1800s when Govt was small and inconsequential. Unfortunately you need to take the good with the bad so while you're living in your isolated farmhouse in Nebraska not having to worry about the tax man or overreaching Govt or such complications as electricity or roads and your family falls ill with Cholera in the Winter and you all die well.....

Take a book out of the library and and find out what life was like for the common man in the good old days.

Was Government inconsequential in the 1800's? It may have been smaller, but inconsequential? I doubt it. Maybe government was less intrusive during the 1800's. Maybe elected representatives had more respect for the law in the 1800's.

And of course you take the good with the "bad" But just because you are willing to put up with a little bad in exchange for some good, that's no excuse to just pile on more bad in exchange for nothing.

I suspect if you woke up Monday morning and the federal Govt only could do what the Constitution says or implies it could do a lot of people would cheer. However, maybe 6 months or so down the road all you would hear from most of those same people is grumbling about all those things the Govt does that is taken for granted and not even given a thought to. All these things would cease.

In the 1800s to the average person living in rural areas the only realization the Govt even existed would be what they saw in the local newspaper when they went into town maybe once a month for provisions or what came over the telegraph or what was relayed by a traveler. To most they lived in an isolated environment and either the local sheriff (if they had one) or the occasional passing Army column was their exposure to Govt.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I suspect if you woke up Monday morning and the federal Govt only could do what the Constitution says or implies it could do a lot of people would cheer. However, maybe 6 months or so down the road all you would hear from most of those same people is grumbling about all those things the Govt does that is taken for granted and not even given a thought to. All these things would cease.

In the 1800s to the average person living in rural areas the only realization the Govt even existed would be what they saw in the local newspaper when they went into town maybe once a month for provisions or what came over the telegraph or what was relayed by a traveler. To most they lived in an isolated environment and either the local sheriff (if they had one) or the occasional passing Army column was their exposure to Govt.

OK Monsieur Val-Jean, just as long as you really needed that bread... Alright everyone, move along, nothing to see here.

The Constitution is pretty specific and direct. It doesn't imply much if anything. But, if you woke up Monday morning and the federal Govt only could do what the Constitution says it could do, a lot of people who respect the rule of law would cheer, and a lot of people who have been living off of the spoils of governmental corruption would grumble, including many career politicians. But then the real work could begin, and that would be solving our country's problems in a way consistent with the law as written by the founders, and not in the lazy, politically expedient way that it's been done for over the last 100 years.

I'm glad the federal government built the network of expressways that contact the country together. I remember what it was like driving up US1 and like that, going through one little town after another. Get out of that town and one lane each way. Head on collisions were not uncommon. I'm especially thankful for social security and Medicare. FDR responsible for the former, and LBJ largely for the latter. Many people don't know it, but LBJ taught school in rural Texas when he was a young man. He never forgot the poverty of many of the young kids, both Mexican immigrants, and Caucasian native to Texas. Matter of fact that was one of the things that drove him to institute the "Great Society.'

A little thing called a police action in Vietnam largely ruined that initiative. According to a bio I read on Lyndon, after he became a senator he befriended FDR. It was through that friendship that he was able to have the federal government grant a loan to bring electricity to a large portion of the population of the hill country of Texas who had never had it. Everything the goverment does ain't 'a bridge to nowhere', or a handout to people that don't need it.