Thread: Sad happenings in the UK

Originally Posted by 10Pups

I thought Spendur did a good job trying to explain this and I have a link to something that may explain Americans a little better. This situation may or may not be world news. It is definitely news in the U.S. and I could go on and on about what people are saying but the video pretty much explains the situation without bias and it is my feeling that if the media presented all activity in this manner we would have less fear and more understanding of the REAL facts and be able to make better judgements on what to do to change things. Of course there is still the fact that some politicians are less representative of those who elect them as this guy is.

https://youtu.be/bx4ocLdWE90

Interesting, the one thread of this discussion that I've read about here is that of the Native North American's, who say it's their land, titled to them through Treaty, and essentially that now they're dealing with two sets of occupiers. Has the Native North American aspect been brought into the discussion in the US regarding this? Just curious as aside from CNN, it's not huge news up here....

One day I want to visit America and tour the country . Not interested in tourist sites , I wanna see the real America .

The first thing I'm gonna do an arrival is get tooled up .

If some one wants to shoot me , I'll blow them to bits

Tourists are allowed to carry guns with the rite permits from what I understand , so we all have a fighting chance.

Originally Posted by JOB15

One day I want to visit America and tour the country . Not interested in tourist sites , I wanna see the real America .

The first thing I'm gonna do an arrival is get tooled up .

If some one wants to shoot me , I'll blow them to bits

Tourists are allowed to carry guns with the rite permits from what I understand , so we all have a fighting chance.

LOL - yea, I can finally get a couple of Derringer's for each pocket, a nickel plated .45 revolver like Gen. Patton, and a machine gun, then finally get to try out a Denny's for breakfast! I'll have bacon, pancake's and eggs semi-auto!

Originally Posted by JOB15

One day I want to visit America and tour the country . Not interested in tourist sites , I wanna see the real America .

The first thing I'm gonna do an arrival is get tooled up .

If some one wants to shoot me , I'll blow them to bits

Tourists are allowed to carry guns with the rite permits from what I understand , so we all have a fighting chance.

Ummmm..... In certain states you might be able to carry a gun and in others....NOPE. Each state has their own laws regarding "weapons" and ignorance of the law is no excuse. Best to travel without anything that would be considered a weapon...... A 3 inch blade on a knife might be legal in one state and against the law in another. Same goes in Canada. There are federal laws and local laws. Something to keep in mind. It's not the "wild, wild west" as some people think North America is. Any where you go in this world there will be "bad" people and "good" people. Just don't be in the "wrong" place at the wrong time.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Interesting, the one thread of this discussion that I've read about here is that of the Native North American's, who say it's their land, titled to them through Treaty, and essentially that now they're dealing with two sets of occupiers. Has the Native North American aspect been brought into the discussion in the US regarding this? Just curious as aside from CNN, it's not huge news up here....

There are lots of views among the Indian people about lands and rights. In fact they fought against each other over this long before the white man came. They believed in slavery and raiding each other for profit. Some tribes became 1 due to this type of thinking. 1 people over powering the other to advance their well being and way of life is the history of mankind from the beginning. In more modern times the influence of industrialists is more the norm. The land rights argument is worthless if you don't have the means to back up your claims. This is the reason Americans hold the right to bear arms so dearly. If you can be over powered , you will be. History proves it.
When you do come to visit the states your experience will be different in each state and section of the whole country. You come to my state and you better not get caught with a firearm unless you have a permit or solid reason for having it in your possession, and you better be carrying it in the proper fashion at that. The best way to know what's allowed in each county is to check with the local sheriff. You may have to leave your side arm in his office while in town :<0)

Thank you Christian. Your reply actually makes sense to me. I think I finally get a better understanding of the argument in the US.

Personally and this is my own view, it's a combination of things. First the early history of the country, then Hollywood and they way they portray things and third the easy availability. That lays the foundation and from there, well...

Guns are way cool. Especially when you don't forget to bring snacks.

Marshall I'll try to explain all perspectives on the Danish knifes ban.

First. Denmark is a real nation thou rather small. We are the size of New York State, but only hold a population of 5,5 mil. We're mainly one ethnical group, Danes, thou in resent years a growing number of refugees mainly from middle east and Africa are settling down. Perhaps as many as 500.000. Their culture is very different, which has given root to many conflicts in recent time.

The knife ban was instituted after a series of violent knife attacks in the night, where younger emigrants stabbed younger Danes, or the other way around.

The ban forbids all kind of knifes in public, carried on the person. Pucketknifes, hunting knifes, Scout knifes are the most controversial. The last two went legal again after months of public debate. But only when they are used in the right purpose. A scout can only wear his knife when he is attending scout training.

Thou Denmark is a forest nation and is happens quite often, that animals are hid by cars, it's illegal for me to hold a knife in my car to kill a animal if I crash into it. That's just crazy, since I now has to find a big stone or something to put the animal out of its misery.

Even work knifes are illegal. If a electrician has a knife on him, when stopped by the police, he risks imprisonment or a great fine. His knife needs to be locked in a back in his car, if he isn't using it on work. That's crazy to.

I hone knifes and razors, beside my regular job. I therefore have a licence to transport knifes in my car, as long they are securely packed away in the trunk.

I thinks it is crazy to need a licence for such a thing.

Nothing prevent a idiot from using a chef knife for a murder. But to be fair, it would be troublesome to commit mass murder with a knife, as people would flee.

An seeing a man carrying a chef knife in public would pretty fast alert the police.

The terrorist attack last year, was committed with a automatic rifle, illegal in Denmark. Only military has them. How he got his rifle is still being investigated, but he properly bought it it another European country on the black market? Who knows?

I don't believe that giving ordinary Danes weapons would have prevented the attack, or pretend someone would have shot him before his atrocity. Only armed police, well trained could do that.

The Danish no weapon policy leaves many problems fore ordinary people, but we don't have shootings, no school massacres ( but that has nothing to do with weapons. No one in Denmark could dream of committing a crime against a school. Most people has a reel good experience from childhood in the Danish school system, which by the way is the must expensive in the world.)

Whenever there's a gang related crime, the gang members normally only shot themselves. Yes they sometimes has guns.

By my knowledge no gang related crime has been committed against the public in years. The fight is against Hells Angels and immigrants gangs, fighting for drugs markets.

I hope this clarify things.

We have a open society. Everyone can go in every public building they want. Our royals and politicians walks on the street without bodyguards. Enfant children sleeps unattended in their Pram on the street, while their mothers do housecleaning in the flat. There has never been a crime relate to children in our history.

Our weapons ban, has kept us safe for years. But it doesn't solve the terrorist problem. Allowing weapons isn't the solution, so we have to find another one.

There is really no discussion to be had here , it is what it is.

Definitely try to get the Guns n Knives off the streets though.