Thread: Sad happenings in the UK

Originally Posted by Kmcmichael

I believe that often even well meaning legislation totally ignores basic human nature. We naturally dream of a utopia that is full of unicorns and butterflies. The big rock candy mountain if you will. But we do terrible things to those that cannot defend themselves. We accuse you of witchcraft so that we may take your farm, property was seized by the church during the inquisition. The holicost was a particularly bleak episode in our history.

We have all bullied and been bullied.

We also naturally seek a leader to be our champion, someone we perceive will look out for our interest, keep us safe, or just give us free stuff. We want to believe they are above the desires and faults of us other humans. We ignore their lies and faults. We love them when they blame a section of society other than our own, whether it be the rich, the Jew or some other faction than ourselves. Deep down, we all know that most of the legislation is merely passed as some sort of feelgood measure; that career criminals do not fear such silly rules.
This has been going on for thousands of years. It is just human nature. Societies fall as sure as a math equation finds it's conclusion.

This was not meant to be political, merely an amateur philosophers(I received my license upon retirement) simplistic humble viewpoint of the eternal human condition and how we manipulate each other.

Very well said.
Things will never change.
Its called life.

But when governments, politicians,and liberal weenies, keep pushing to remove things from our lives.
It is treasonous, and a act of terrorism. Hence thats what the social media is shoving down the throats of millions every day.

Theres way more good people out there than bad. But thats all the media pushes.... Gloom and despair, and makes us ...chicken little.

If its yelled loud and long enough,
Poeple will believe it.

Great shaves y'all. "PEACE"

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The thing that really sets Americans apart from the rest of the world (and folks in other countries don't understand) is Americans have this feeling that hey, this is a free country and I can do what I want and nobody's gonna tell me otherwise. Americans have this sense of defiance about them. It causes many to vote against their own interests in elections and it gives a powerful tool to polarize the country on many issues.

If you look at just about every incident we see where the police have killed or injured someone there is one common denominator. The citizen was given an "order" and the citizen failed to comply. They are defiant which in turn puts the officer in a combative posture and things escalate. Unfortunately most Officers receive no training in these areas and rely on "common sense" which many don't have.

Anything can be used as a weapon. I've seen a person get "worked over" by a rolled up magazine before. The greatest weapon people have is solidarity and the power of collective thought. Standing together on things is the greatest strength any group can have. When people are divided, we fall.

Well i totally agree that's its people who kills, not weapon. But I still don't understand why it's so important to own a gun. I'll worry sick about my kids finding it and get hurt.

I am free to do anything I wish. I just don't want to get caught doing some things :<0)

Originally Posted by Kristian

Well i totally agree that's its people who kills, not weapon. But I still don't understand why it's so important to own a gun. I'll worry sick about my kids finding it and get hurt.

This is where responsible ownership comes in. My father was a police officer for 17 years. I learned what a gun was for and how to handle them before I got out of grade school. Pistols and rifles were always in the house. Could I get at them. Nope and had no desire to risk the amount of trouble I would be in to satisfy that curiosity. If I wanted to know something my father would explain and even let me handle the firearms safely. If you can't teach your children these things then I wouldn't say you should stay away from guns, you should avoid children :<0)

The answer is educating about weapons and tools, not to ban them! My daughter knows what is dangerous and makes good choices because I taught her what is safe and what is not. Driving is very dangerous and results in far more injuries and deaths than guns, knives, and any other "weapons" but they are still around! We send our kids to drivers Ed classes and let the leash of driving responsibility out slowly to minimize risk. Why would knives be any different, to keep with the theme of the original post?

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] there's time I wish for those carefree days. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] I didn't say I was against weapons. I was pretty close to win the Danish competition for the Olympic 15 Meter pistols, back in the 90's. I just don't get why some US folks want guns so much.

Kristian,the problem is that the sentence:

But I still don't understand why it's so important to own a gun.

can also be written: "But I still don't understand why it's so important to own a [insert any object that YOU have no interest in here]".

And that sentence can be followed by:

I'll worry sick about my kids finding [insert the same object here] and get hurt

We train our children to be careful around *anything* that can be dangerous, traffic, electrical outlets, hot stoves, pets, razors and the list will go on forever. Things still happen in spite of that, but the danger is not in the item you inserted into the first line, but the ignorance of how to behave around, or handle it safely. We teach our children to not touch a stove, because it might be hot (yes that warning led is handy, but what if it is broken?), we teach them to not put metal objects into the electrical outlet, to not run out into traffic and the list goes on. If you chose to not teach your children how to behave around, or handle a given [object] safely, there is a very good chance they could get hurt. A case in point, if you do not teach your children to not play with your straight razors, there is also a very good chance they could get hurt or killed. BUT, you enjoy your straight razors, and use them, even though there are other, safer, razors available, and because you understand straight razors, you take the time to train your children in their use and handling so that they hopefully won't get hurt, should they come across one of them, anywhere.

It just does not matter what the object is, it does not matter if you want them or like them, someone else may, and they may not like what you like, but they have no more right to tell you what you should like, than you have to tell them. Banning legal items simply means the average person has no idea how to behave around or handle such an item, your children may still stumble across an illegal one, and because they have not been instructed on how to behave around, or handle this item, they stand a greater chance of getting hurt.

Education, not restriction, is the way to promote safety.

Regards

Christian

Thank you Christian. Your reply actually makes sense to me. I think I finally get a better understanding of the argument in the US.