Thread: Sad happenings in the UK

Personally and this is my own view, it's a combination of things. First the early history of the country, then Hollywood and they way they portray things and third the easy availability. That lays the foundation and from there, well...

Guns are way cool. Especially when you don't forget to bring snacks.

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Cars kill more people than guns , so let's outlaw vehicles

There are bad people out there with guns, they kill students in school , whole classes.

Therefore you must suffer for these wack jobs and give up your guns.

Take one for the team man...

If I lived in USA I'd have an armoury . I love weapons , nukes too. However I can still see a problem that needs to be fixed. (It never will, I know that)

Originally Posted by JOB15

There are bad people out there with guns, they kill students in school , whole classes.

Therefore you must suffer for these wack jobs and give up your guns.

Take one for the team man...

If I lived in USA I'd have an armoury . I love weapons , nukes too. However I can still see a problem that needs to be fixed. (It never will, I know that)

I think we should just get rid of the wack jobs.

There's the problem. Identify a "whack job" prior to a mass shooting. Haven't been real successful at that so far I'm afraid.

James.

There was an article in the Canadian newspaper, "The Globe and Mail", that presents a case that the, "right to bear arms" was in fact never a part of the US Constitution, that it is only recently that the idea that "individuals", rather than the "collective" have the right to arm themselves individually.

I don't purport to be even vaguely familiar with the American Constitution, but I'd thought I'd share this article as food for thought/discussion. I'll cut and paste one small section and provide a link to the article. I found it interesting, but have no context in regards to it.

Here's the link to the article:

How U.S. gun ownership became a ‘right,’ and why it isn’t - The Globe and Mail

And here's a soundbite from it - certainly interesting...

"Until 2002, every U.S. president and government had declared that the Constitution’s Second Amendment did not provide any individual right for ordinary citizens to own firearms. Rather, it meant what its text clearly states: that firearms shall be held by “the People” – a collective, not individual right – insofar as they are in the service of “a well-regulated militia.”

There had not, up to that point, been much ambiguity about this. “For 218 years,” legal scholar Michael Waldman writes in his book The Second Amendment: A Biography, “judges overwhelmingly concluded that the amendment authorized states to form militias, what we now call the National Guard,” and did not contain any individual right to own firearms.

The U.S. Supreme Court had never, until 2008, suggested even once that there was any such right. Warren Burger, the arch-conservative Supreme Court justice appointed by Richard Nixon, in an interview in 1991 described the then-new idea of an individual right to bear arms as “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

In any event, this isn't necessarily about guns and definitely not about gun control, since threads on that topic are not allowed.

I think that in a society that allows weapons to be owned and kept by its citizenry there needs to be much heavier restrictions not on the weapons but on the people owning and keeping them. That just seems the most responsible approach.

There has to be restrictions and control somewhere in the equation. It's basic math: you have an outcome you want to achieve, you have the inputs that determine that outcome, and you do things to those inputs to manipulate the outcome in the direction you want. Arguing that nothing needs to be changed basically says you are OK with the outcomes as they stand.

Are people happy with the outcomes as they currently stand?

James.

This thread has certainly moved and changed time and time again.

I've read all of the posts and 'Personally' I feel that we as human beings no matter where we live are entitled to protect themselves and property with what ever means available/Perhaps with a knife, a club, scathing with fingernails or a firearm, whatever it takes.

With this said I believe that an intruder would be most likely to be intimidated by a firearm. Presuming that the holder of the firearm knew how to PROPERLY use it.

While it is a 'Spoof' I feel that the essence of what's said in this video is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_x1qrnR710

I fully realize that by posting this next video that it will open an huge can of worms. However I think that he's right on point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPNGQbZQBU

Smooth Shaving My Brothers In Blades

Originally Posted by cudarunner

This thread has certainly moved and changed time and time again.

I've read all of the posts and 'Personally' I feel that we as human beings no matter where we live are entitled to protect themselves and property with what ever means available/Perhaps with a knife, a club, scathing with fingernails or a firearm, whatever it takes.

With this said I believe that an intruder would be most likely to be intimidated by a firearm. Presuming that the holder of the firearm knew how to PROPERLY use it.

While it is a 'Spoof' I feel that the essence of what's said in this video is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_x1qrnR710

I fully realize that by posting this next video that it will open an huge can of worms. However I think that he's right on point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPNGQbZQBU

Smooth Shaving My Brothers In Blades

Thanks Roy
My sentiments exactly!!
Maybe I'm wierd too

In comparison the US as "violent" as it may be it was built, on a liberal democracy! We are who we are!!
Guns are part of our DNA and our constitution and if your read this great county's history, you'll find they fought hard and ugly for the freedom and culture we enjoy today.. As mess up as politics are today, (I believe government has betrayed us) it's better than any other county around. Don't misunderstand me, I love the UK, like many country including ours she's being mislead. The way I see we cannot rely on government for our presuit of happiness. We make our own going forward. Knives well, You know what they say... don't bring a knife to a gun fight. either way I agree, we shoal be able to defend ourselves. I know that I'm capable of defending my self and my family. Although i'm not one of these paranoid figures always looking for a fight, I am prepared to defend myself and my family and if I have to go to jail because it it so be it (I live in NJ)

Sorry I'm on my third martini but you get the gist of it.