Thread: Sad happenings in the UK

As long as you didn't go in head first.

Originally Posted by 32t

If we didn't live in fear why would we need a government?

So it is in governments best interest to keep us afraid. [Of something, {insert what you like here.}]

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Thomas Jefferson

Originally Posted by Ernie1980

Just came across this and wanted to share:

Surrender your knife | Save a life

First guns, now knives. What is next?

Money. It's always about the money, and nothing else.

Regards

Kaptain "I've been around too dang long... " Zero

Always found forks more intimidating...

Originally Posted by kaptain_zero

Money. It's always about the money, and nothing else.

Regards

Kaptain "I've been around too dang long... " Zero

I'm sure that's a factor, but as hard as they're pushing I feel like their motive is a darker shade than green:

Please mind the turn this is taking towards gun talk and carrying and politics and the government which is verboten on this site.

You all know if this continues this thread will be closed.

Originally Posted by Ernie1980

You are wrong. Do you really think that making a law will stop criminals?? Outlawing alcohol worked so well in the past in the US, and the fact that marijuana is illegal in Texas sure stops people from using it so well...
It's all a matter of choices- some people will make good choices and others will make bad choices. You can't nanny every aspect of life to protect people.

"You are wrong" haha please don't beat around the bush

This could be a lengthy discussion and the mod has already said he'd close the thread.

Outback: I see what your saying but what I'm saying is that if no one had a gun then you wouldn't have to protect yourself?

Maybe bash them with a stick or scare them with a loud hailer

I believe that often even well meaning legislation totally ignores basic human nature. We naturally dream of a utopia that is full of unicorns and butterflies. The big rock candy mountain if you will. But we do terrible things to those that cannot defend themselves. We accuse you of witchcraft so that we may take your farm, property was seized by the church during the inquisition. The holicost was a particularly bleak episode in our history.

We have all bullied and been bullied.

We also naturally seek a leader to be our champion, someone we perceive will look out for our interest, keep us safe, or just give us free stuff. We want to believe they are above the desires and faults of us other humans. We ignore their lies and faults. We love them when they blame a section of society other than our own, whether it be the rich, the Jew or some other faction than ourselves. Deep down, we all know that most of the legislation is merely passed as some sort of feelgood measure; that career criminals do not fear such silly rules.
This has been going on for thousands of years. It is just human nature. Societies fall as sure as a math equation finds it's conclusion.

This was not meant to be political, merely an amateur philosophers(I received my license upon retirement) simplistic humble viewpoint of the eternal human condition and how we manipulate each other.

We are fed fear.
Hence I don't watch TV, News, read papers.

Life is short , we should enjoy it and appreciate everything . I do

Well guys, then don't move to Denmark. Here weapons are forbidden. No one carry guns. Even knifes are forbidden, and in some zones in the biggest city's the police have rights to visitations of any citizen.

The politicians even made a knife law forbidden small pucketknifes and razors. Razors are legal again thou.

Even the police don't carry dangerous guns, by American standards. They do have guns, but seldom use them. Whenever a gun is used by the police, the incident are investigated by court, and the police officer are suspended while the investigation goes on.

We don't have mass murders, or wild shootings.

Violence are very low and there's hardly any murders.

We do have gangs and criminals, but they seldom attack normal citizens.

Last year a terrorist attacked two targets in Copenhagen, killing two persons, before the police shot him. He used a automatic rifle, so criminals can get guns if they want to apparently.

All this put aside, Danes regards American weapon laws as pure stupidity.

I don't judge anybody.

I own two Japanese katanas. I have a weapon license for these. I don't carry them in public of cause [emoji4] an I have many razors.

I personally don't understand the need to own automatic guns, or pistols that can kill large hippos. - but that just me. I practice martial art, and so does my two girls ages 11 and 14. God help the bastard trying to attack them.

We have soldiers fighting fore freedom and democracy in Syria and other middle east states. Their enemies, ISIL and ISIS are among other weapons using American guns. Now that's a real problem.

Why on earth are USA selling weapons to these maniacs?

Saying all this, the Danes are the happiest people in the world. And some of the richest. We work very hard, but only about 45 hours a week. Most people only 37 hours, which is the norm.

6 weeks holiday every year. Pension paid by the state from age 65.

It is possible to live without guns.

However I don't think Danish solutions would work in US. You have to find your own way.

I just wanted to show you another view on your debate.