Thread: President of the US of A

IMHO the reason for the ground swell of support for Trump is not racism, misogynism, or any other 'ism'. Just look at the Republican party leaders ....... this is supposed to be a government of the people, for the people and by the people. The people of the Republican party have spoken and overwhelmingly want Trump as the nominee. The professional politicians govern for their own, and are reacting in a way that will destroy the party. Sad shape this country is in, and no relief in sight.

Originally Posted by Hacker7

I guess O.J was innocent after all.

He just wasn't proven guilty. In a system that operates on a standard of presumption of innocence, everyone is innocent, until proven guilty. The burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accusers, so blame them. Apparently they didn't do their job very well. Or, maybe he really didn't do it... I don't know, I wasn't there.

As to Clinton, time will tell.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

tl;dr;

Summary in modern day speak:

1) Carter very, very weak, Reagan beat him real bad
2) Bill Clinton won't let bureaucracy and red tape get in the way of pardons or whatever

Originally Posted by gugi

Summary in modern day speak:

1) Carter very, very weak, Reagan beat him real bad
2) Bill Clinton won't let bureaucracy and red tape get in the way of pardons or whatever

Well in modern day speak defining Clinton's Zeitgeist where I grew up I'd get banned if I posted it ....... but the family version is "the hell with you, hooray for me"

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Strange I thought we lived in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty.

Enlighten me on the crimes she has been CONVICTED of.

You can allege crimes you wish she was convicted of from now to doomsday and it means nothing.

An act that is unlawful is by definition, a criminal act. My understanding is that housing top secret documents on a private server is an unlawful act.

You don't really think a lack of conviction in any criminal case means a criminal act never took place, do you?

"Criminal" and "Convicted Criminal" apparently mean the same thing to you?

I can certainly rephrase by saying: If elected, Hillary would be the first president where the public was aware of criminal activity and elected her anyway. If that makes you feel better.

Bill Clinton was acquitted in regard to HIS criminal activity in the Oval office. Does that mean the criminal activity never took place? Of course not.

Chrisl

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Bill Clinton was acquitted in regard to HIS criminal activity in the Oval office. Does that mean the criminal activity never took place? Of course not.

Chrisl

That depends on what your definition of 'is' is ............ sung to the tune of Devil With The Blue Dress On ........

Originally Posted by honedright

I didn't read anything in Chrisl's post about guilt or conviction for crimes, he just wrote, "criminal wrongdoing." In order for a crime to occur there generally needs to be a coupling, or joint operation, of both act and intent, or criminal negligence, which usually comprise the elements of a crime. As long as you can show that the elements of the crime have been met, and there is reasonable suspicion that the crime was committed by said person, you can make an arrest, usually. Upon conviction in a court of law, there is sentencing which imposes punishment for the crime as prescribed by law. People are arrested for and investigated for suspected criminal wrongdoing where the elements of the crime are met all of the time without being convicted.

That's a lot of mumbo jumbo. You can arrest anyone you want as long as you can convince a judge to give you a warrant. How many folks are sitting in prisons who were wrongly convicted and how many warrants have been issued on trumped (no pun intended) up charges. If I can convince a judge (and it isn't hard) I can arrest you and issue a complaint and make you look like the worst dude in the history of the U.S. That doesn't make you a criminal. It's the conviction that does that. Of course you can try someone in the court of public opinion for political or other reasons in the hopes of fostering the appearance of guilt to benefit a person or group.

In the end if you have no conviction you have nothing.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

An act that is unlawful is by definition, a criminal act. My understanding is that housing top secret documents on a private server is an unlawful act.

You don't really think a lack of conviction in any criminal case means a criminal act never took place, do you?

"Criminal" and "Convicted Criminal" apparently mean the same thing to you?

I can certainly rephrase by saying: If elected, Hillary would be the first president where the public was aware of criminal activity and elected her anyway. If that makes you feel better.

Bill Clinton was acquitted in regard to HIS criminal activity in the Oval office. Does that mean the criminal activity never took place? Of course not.

Chrisl

There are places in this world where the secret police can arrest you, hold you indefinitely and bring you up on charges and convict you with little or no evidence and execute you or send you to some gulag. Do you want that to happen here where someone can level charges and just declare you a criminal with no redress?

There is no evidence Clinton had any top secret documents on the server and there was no policy against it while she was doing it. Some documents were re classified after the fact but that's a different circumstance and others have done similar as her. Why are they not being investigated?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

IMHO the reason for the ground swell of support for Trump is not racism, misogynism, or any other 'ism'. Just look at the Republican party leaders ....... this is supposed to be a government of the people, for the people and by the people. The people of the Republican party have spoken and overwhelmingly want Trump as the nominee. The professional politicians govern for their own, and are reacting in a way that will destroy the party. Sad shape this country is in, and no relief in sight.

If Trump was some nobody without the money and celebrity he would have been laughed away and gone away a long time ago. People are stupid they see his celebrity status and believe his lies and dismiss all the negatives he is identified with. To me that's what a cult leader is. Folks are mesmerized by the personality and their lies and follow them to the end. It defies all logic.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

To me that's what a cult leader is. Folks are mesmerized by the personality and their lies and follow them to the end. It defies all logic.

That could fit say the last three presidents as well. Just sayin. I know that's not the best comeback but it's true as it's opinion as to who's right and not so right. In this country I fear we have made the term "Fickle" come to new heights.