Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by Jimbo

If that's true then Republicans should have no trouble voting for Hillary.

Everyone is shifting to the Right in our politics too. I think it reflects the population in times like these. When people are scared they become a lot more socially and economically conservative.

I mean, when a country who prides itself on its history of immigration and indeed was built on and became great because of immigration, actually gives any level of credence to the things coming out of Trump's mouth, you know there's got to be a level of fear behind it IMO.

James.

Can't argue that at all. We just had a decade of the swing to the right and people here had enough of it go slightly left this last election. You get tired of living in a climate of fear, real or imagined. Mind you, the middle ground in politics has shifted to the right so those on the left were dragged with it too. I do not think the middle ground will shift back any time soon.

Bob

An interesting outsiders take on the whole process currently going on south of the border. It was on the National news last night.

Bob

CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy

Every time there has been an Immigrant wave it's the same story. They're coming and they're gonna take over and they threaten us. It happened with the Chinese and we passed laws to exclude them. It happened with the irish and the italians and every other group. We locked up the Japanese during WWll. The Nazi's sent sabateurs to the U.S to stir up unrest in the German Communities. Most of that was kept secret from the population. Muslims have been living here in the U.S for a long time and there is no move to Sharia Law and never has been. Every Immigrant group has their militant factions with radical ideas. We have our own homegrown radicals who have killed more folks here than any outside group over the years.

The difference now is the Politicians are using it to stoke fear and we're bombarded with nonstop media coverage which magnifies the incidents. It very comforting for some politician to get up and give some simple answer to a very complex problem which will make all the fear go away very quickly. Unfortunately too many folks are just a bunch of simpletons and believe.

yes there is fear but there is reasonable fear and unreasonable. I think the chances of being a victim of crime, or dying in a car crash or getting cancer are far far greater than becoming the victim of terrorist violence. Unfortunately certain political factions are just using it for their own advancement.

Very well said, TBS

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Every time there has been an Immigrant wave it's the same story. They're coming and they're gonna take over and they threaten us. It happened with the Chinese and we passed laws to exclude them. It happened with the irish and the italians and every other group. We locked up the Japanese during WWll. The Nazi's sent sabateurs to the U.S to stir up unrest in the German Communities. Most of that was kept secret from the population. Muslims have been living here in the U.S for a long time and there is no move to Sharia Law and never has been. Every Immigrant group has their militant factions with radical ideas. We have our own homegrown radicals who have killed more folks here than any outside group over the years.

The difference now is the Politicians are using it to stoke fear and we're bombarded with nonstop media coverage which magnifies the incidents. It very comforting for some politician to get up and give some simple answer to a very complex problem which will make all the fear go away very quickly. Unfortunately too many folks are just a bunch of simpletons and believe.

yes there is fear but there is reasonable fear and unreasonable. I think the chances of being a victim of crime, or dying in a car crash or getting cancer are far far greater than becoming the victim of terrorist violence. Unfortunately certain political factions are just using it for their own advancement.

Several differences in the 'Immigrant wave,' compared with the others you mentioned. One, the dialogue is more about the illegal immigrant wave and another is: have any of the languages of the other 'waves' of immigrants become the 2nd language of the United States?

Hold on, I thought this was the tape thread...sorry.

I can't remember the last time I voted for a candidate, instead of against another...

Sad state of affairs!

BTW, the people that come here illegally are not immigrants, but invaders!

All of that nonsense that the press spins ad nausea, does not really matter, the 3 branches of government will balance it all out, no matter who the president is.

Why the GOP plays into it predictably with kneejerk reaction, speaks volumes about its leadership or lack of, and may be the crippling deathblow to the party. That boiling point frustration, is what has created a Trump, poke in the eye candidate, who may be too late to stop.

Can’t tell you how many folks I have spoken with, will switch to Independent, after the election.

The most important result of the the election, will be the new president’s ability to replace probably 2 and maybe as many as 4, Supreme Court Justices… and that will determine the course of the USA, for years to come.

It is extremely unlikely that Donald Trump will become president. His general unfavorability is very high plus if he wins the republican nomination the ideological faction of the party (that presently has an outsize influence) will likely prefer him to lose so that they can try again in 4 years rather than him hijacking the party and leaving them out of it.

Originally Posted by WW243

Several differences in the 'Immigrant wave,' compared with the others you mentioned. One, the dialogue is more about the illegal immigrant wave and another is: have any of the languages of the other 'waves' of immigrants become the 2nd language of the United States?

The American public doesn't give a rat's behind about the immigrant problem and never did. It's only because politicians are hammering on it and the media reinforces it. if a politician complained too many people were wearing red clothes and the media pushed that story there would be dialogue about people wearing the wrong color.

The illegal wave started in the 1950s and hasn't stopped since and no one cared. Briefly in the 80s during Amnesty some folks cared but then it died down like everything else. So what's the reason it's a dialogue now?

As to the language it is what it is. This country is changing and Spanish Speakers will probably be in the majority. I know many fear that but that's what's happening. With respect to Spanish most Illegals live in small secretive communities and many travel back and forth to and from Mexico. They have no incentive to learn English. Legalize them and they will learn the language when it is in their interests to do it.

Remember even for Naturalization there are waivers from the English requirement.

Also, remember in the early days there was no such thing as illegals. You got on a boat and came here and unless you had a disease or had mental issues you were legal and that's that. Even earlier like the 1800s you just came here no different than illegals do today. The exception was the Chinese who were barred from entry for a time.

So when you talk about Immigration to the U.S and you talk about illegals and waives of immigrants many have no understanding of our history immigration speaking that is.. Had these folks not been able to fit into society I imagine many would never have learned English and in fact most of the older folks never did learn English.