Thread: President of the US of A

Time will tell about this election but I do believe that history will remember Obama as one of the worst presidents of our nation. As I see it he has done nothing to bring our nation together and everything he could to weaken our nation. Each to his or her opinion. This is mine.

Originally Posted by honedright

Have they belittled the President? or his policies?

They have done both. Equal opportunity eh?

Originally Posted by gugi

It is extremely unlikely that Donald Trump will become president. His general unfavorability is very high plus if he wins the republican nomination the ideological faction of the party (that presently has an outsize influence) will likely prefer him to lose so that they can try again in 4 years rather than him hijacking the party and leaving them out of it.

I'd say that this is correct, given Mitt Romney's speech.

Maybe the GOP will finally come to its senses and stop pandering to the religious right interest groups, and start campaigning about things that actually do matter to the country as a whole. No matter what anyone might think about abortion or gay marriage, until the supreme court reverses its stance, the opinion of the US president doesn't really matter so campaigning over it makes no sense.

EDIT: just to be clear, I don't judge anyone for having a stance pro or against gay marriage or abortion. It's just that a president does not have direct influence over those issues.

Here is the catch. We live in a country that elected to president a Hollywood actor.
The state of Minnesota elected a Professional Wrestler.
When agitated for long enough the masses take on a mob mentality.
Voting is their first step, Revolution follows if they dont get placated.
I am not saying it is sensible or right but it is the grand experiment we call America.
Obama and birther is plausible from a television sitcom viewpoint.
You really must step back and look at the logic of the 99%.
Duct tape and coat hangers are a completely acceptable solution if that is how you where raised and all you know.
This logic has proved true . One only has to look at the past congressional elections.
Since when does the Speaker of the House just up and quit after he gets to meet the pope? He was a career politician.
Trump is making his own rules, he is merely mirroring the sentiments of the masses, the masses feel connected to his message and style. He is viewed as very successful. Everyone forgets all his failures and bankruptcies.
He has the best manipulative speaking ability seen in a long time, a unique style a cross between a roughian and businessman meets hustler.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I'd say that this is correct, given Mitt Romney's speech.

Maybe the GOP will finally come to its senses and stop pandering to the religious right interest groups, and start campaigning about things that actually do matter to the country as a whole. No matter what anyone might think about abortion or gay marriage, until the supreme court reverses its stance, the opinion of the US president doesn't really matter so campaigning over it makes no sense.

EDIT: just to be clear, I don't judge anyone for having a stance pro or against gay marriage or abortion. It's just that a president does not have direct influence over those issues.

Trump does have a good chance to be the next President. Romneys speech made Trump stronger. Talk about a flip flop. Romney praised Trump during his run. I agree politics have no place on personal issues. But if you think the President has no influence on these issues you are wrong. By selecting supreme court nominees he does. There are 4 liberal and 4 conservative judges now. The next one is the tie breaker. This country is run by big business through lobbying and contributions to reelection campaigns. One way or another this has to end. Being self funding Trump is the only one who could pull this off. Trump is a threat to this good ole boys way of doing things. Look whats happening right now. These groups don't want this to end and are throwing massive amounts of money out there to stop him. Romneys speech, the media assault happened after super Tuesdays win for Trump. I think this is a desperate attempt to stop Him. At this point they would be happy to ruin the election for republicans and have Clinton win. It would mean 4 more years of business as usual for the large big money groups that have their own agenda. We will know by the end of the day if this assault was successful. interesting times indeed.

I think folks are overthinking things. The mainstream Republicans aren't trying to stop Trump because he is a threat to them. Maybe they just realize he isn't fit to be President.

Also, folks think because he talks tough and is rich he will not be beholding to anyone. I say just the opposite. He is very beholding to all his rich associates and if elected will just do a 180 from what he is saying.

As to the public and revolution, people are sheep they do what they are told and you can see that throughout ancient and modern history again and again.

The right person can always work magic on the masses.

Regardless of all the insults being thrown

I am voting for Trump on Tuesday

I am good with either of the two Delegate leaders at the moment on the Republican side, but some of Cruz's social views don't line up with mine and Trump seems to have stayed away from most of those...

Come Nov there is simply no chance of me voting for Bernie, Hillary, Biden, Gore, Bloomberg, or any one else they may pull out if something sticks to Hillary from the investigation...

If it isn't Cruz or Trump in Nov,, I might have to vote Libertarian as a protest vote...

I like Trump's empty promises better then all the other's empty promises hehehehe

I said it in the beginning and I still say it. Trump is pushing all the right buttons when it comes to how Americans feel about key issues. These being the border, jobs, and economy. The backbone of this country is tired of paying for all the other nonsense these guys argue about. And honestly I don't believe the Federal government has any business discussing let alone governing over things like abortion, gay marriage,or drug use. These are personal choices and I am all for the freedom to do as you wish. Where I have a problem is when you want me to pay for it any way shape or form. Trump has my vote because I want to send a message. I am not sheep and I would rather have peaceful change. We have to bring this country back to using the basic principles it was founded on or all hell will break loose soon enough. Trump is about protectionism. A dirty word to some but just what we need. Tariffs, the spoils of war, and if we have to fight, lets fight to win.
He is not going to get in there and flip the world over. The people he chooses to aid him in his decisions will be the big factor to his success or failure. I think as a business man he has been successful and choosing the right people for supporting roles. I hope this continues when he becomes president. Either way these are interesting times we live in to say the least.

If you owned a house and rented it out, the renter used their position to rape the neighbors. Ex-lover committed suicide by shooting themselves in the back of their own heads. And when the lease was up, the renter stole all the appliances.
Would you sign a new lease with their spouse?
Once shame on them.
Twice is shame on you and I.
Practical application by the reader is implied.
America has to stop voting for Santa Claus, until then we are doomed to repeat history.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. Somebody has to pay the tab.
Currently it is our children and grandchildren.
Smart people know when they are getting scammed.

James Madison
Stated to an unidentified correspondent — 1833 AD
"It has been said that all Government is an evil. It would be more proper to say that the necessity of any Government is a misfortune. This necessity however exists; and the problem to be solved is, not what form of Government is perfect, but which of the forms is least imperfect."

And now, for a conumdrum:

James Madison
Federalist No. 51 — 1788 AD
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."

Which candidate is in this truly for the good of the country, and not for their own aggrandizement?

"It is to deny, what the history of the world tells us is true, to suppose that men of ambition and talents will not continue to spring up amongst us. And, when they do, they will as naturally seek the gratification of their ruling passion, as others have so done before them.

Is it unreasonable then to expect, that some man possessed of the loftiest genius, coupled with ambition sufficient to push it to its utmost stretch, will at some time, spring up among us? And when such a one does, it will require the people to be united with each other, attached to the government and laws, and generally intelligent, to successfully frustrate his designs."

A. Lincoln