Thread: Is it possible for us as men to have a discussion on God

I caught it and wondered whether to leave it...just for irony......

hope im not to late on this.

well i was brought up by my mother being religous and dragging us to church every sunday and by my dad who was more of the scientific type but still believed in the god think so i dont know what happened to me. i dont really believe in god and the whole religion thing, it is just a bit far fetched in my mind, i am a devout evolutionest. however i do love having religous "converstions" with others since both topics as of now and possibly never will be proven so you kind of always have to keep your mind open about it, i have never heard any argument on the religon side that has ever swayed me. i just find it nearly impossible that one being created EVERYTHING around us, i mean it just goes on forever, at least i hope that it does, and as long as there is no end to existance people will keep looking for it just to prove it wrong.

people say there are three things you never talk about with your friends and they are politics, money and religon, well i say (EDITED FOR CONTENT) THAT, those are the best things to talk about. i have seen good friends argue this topic and end up bloodying eachother then laughing afterwards.

Originally Posted by mhailey

I am of the opinion that I can fly here on earth by flapping my arms and being propelled by nothing more than my flatulence, while naked at a jaybird. However, it is a fact that I cannot.

when i was younger (many years ago) i was asked "do you know why you cant fly?" i anwsered with "no" and and the anwser i got was "the reason people cant fly is because they were told that they couldnt, take a bumble bee for instance, their wings are far to small to support their large bodies in flight. the only reason they fly is because they were never told that they couldnt" so from that day on i tend to believe that nothing is FACT just because people say it is and i dont believe alot of "facts" that are floating around. well now that i think i have gone kinda far off topic here is my final take on the opion of religion and god, quoted from a movie
"religon inhibits our thought, and inhibits our actions, out of fear of some intangible parent figure who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says 'do it, do it and ill ***king spank you'"
i do have more on this topic but it is gettin late here and i must wrap it up, if this thread keeps going i will add more

wow it took me forever to read most of the threads just to get to the end. I read the nag hammandi or most of it. It's the dead sea scrolls translated into english. it is the oldest recorded christian bible and the life of christ. It is so vastly different from what we have today. They are almost completely different teaching all together. Then I heard about the talmund of jmmanuel spelled with a J. This one will really knock your socks off. It's about the life of christ and little after his crucifiction. It was discovered in the tomb to supposedly christ had been laid after his crucifiction and rose three days later. It gives a version of Jmmanuel that would later be called christ, that will probably piss off just about every religion on the face of this planet, but has a lot of documentation and artifact found that support it above all the christian religions in my opion.
it teaches that each and every human being on this planet is a god. that the word god in the old testament was a mistranslation of ishwish. That each and everyone of us is responsible for our own actions, thoughts, vices and virtues. No savior is going to come and save us, there is no heaven or hell, only what we make of our lives. It preaches reincarnation and that after we have lived enough lives, and learned enough information we transcend flesh and become energy and go on to create our own universe. It talks about christ life after the crucifiction where he travelled to india, and then north to the men that lived in the snow and ice. Interestingly scrolls have recently been found in buddhist temples talking about christ and is also briefly mentioned in vedic scrolls of the russian's. A good video to watch that sort of collorbates this information is called the hamburger universe. I think you can rent them at blockbuster. Now that is a whole different kind of christianity there.
Another good video to watch is what the bleep do we know. It goes a lot into quantum physics, and mechanics and how our brains and actions create our own reality's. They back it up with alot of scientfic evidence of how a person's thoughts create there reality's. How are thoughts can alter water, life, and pretty much anything we put our minds to.

Originally Posted by sinnfein

when i was younger (many years ago) i was asked "do you know why you cant fly?" i anwsered with "no" and and the anwser i got was "the reason people cant fly is because they were told that they couldnt, take a bumble bee for instance, their wings are far to small to support their large bodies in flight. the only reason they fly is because they were never told that they couldnt"

I've told plenty of them they can't fly but it doesn't make them fall out of the sky. Well, at least not until I've swatted them with a rolled up paper to underline my point.

Originally Posted by JMS

Is it possible for us as men to have a discussion on God

Of course! It's what separates us from the animals

Originally Posted by Bruno

Yes I should have seen that one coming, but I have an answer for that:
Our government does what we tell it to do via the constitution, and we can check if it is upheld. We control the government via our vote.

A religious institution instead writes its own constitution, and then tells you what to do, based solely on the fact that you are a subscription member of that institution.

It's a shame then that the government will toss you in prison if you don't pay your ta- er, I mean, your offering

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Of course! It's what separates us from the animals

It's a shame then that the government will toss you in prison if you don't pay your ta- er, I mean, your offering

You've been nailed Bruno my dear friend!

Originally Posted by JMS

You've been nailed Bruno my dear friend!

I fail to see why.
Not paying taxes gets you into trouble in any country in the world.
Just like stealing would.

If you can find enough people to start your own party and get enough votes to be elected and to matter, then you could push that agenda.
And if you'd get > 50% of the votes, you could even get it done (66.67% if you need to amend the constitution)

You could argue that the constitution does not include taxes, but in Belgium it does.
It doesn't specify how much and to what end, but it does say that the government is entitled to levy taxes to get the funding to run the country.

So... Get enough supoprt and you can change it, just like I said before.
Belgian government does adhere to the constitution, even if it is sometimes inconvenient and causing a lot of bickering.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Yes I should have seen that one coming, but I have an answer for that:
Our government does what we tell it to do via the constitution, and we can check if it is upheld. We control the government via our vote.

A religious institution instead writes its own constitution, and then tells you what to do, based solely on the fact that you are a subscription member of that institution.

I thought it was funny, but you killed the humor my friend! Read the highlighted portions and then read Hoglahoos post again, and then you might understand!
By the way, whats the latest update on my JR 7 day set?

Hey it is way too early here to get the brain juices to do something other than pestering my mind into getting more coffee.
I missed the joke. Not sure I get it now. maybe after my second cuppa.

That 7 day set... yes, well, ...I have an interesting problem. That box those razors came in is very dirty on the inside, and those supports that held the razors chafe enough that they undo my hard polishing work.
So I've taken 8 small planks of scrap wood that I am making into a crude but effective rack that is functionally the same as the box they came in, but of course less 'nice'.
But they will keep the razors clean and smooth.

My beliefs are as follows (so as not to disapoint ):

Logical argument: If existence exists now, it must have always been so, in some form or linguistic term.

Trying to expound on the details of whether that "existence" was/is intelligent is just speculation and in the end can never be known as fact. The result is an inherently illogical dichotomy.

Occam's razor holds true: "all other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best"

How'd I do?