Thread: Is it possible for us as men to have a discussion on God

Originally Posted by xman

In a word?
NO
If we restrict the participants to those who share a general viewpoint then there can be a discussion within those views. Outsiders will not be understood. If the discussion is about "God is love" vs. "God is the creator", then you'll all have a fun time. The further out somebody's view is the greater the chance that there will be casualties. Want proof?

There is no god, because there is no evidence. That's a fact. It is a different thing from a belief. Belief in god or gods is a fiction absent of factual evidence. It might be one which comforts you or one which has been argued to your satisfaction, but that doesn't change the nature of reality.

Care to discuss that? I don't. People don't listen when it comes to their god. I'd like nothing more than to free the mind, but the religious mind wants nothing more than to save my soul. Those are incompatible agendas.

Your last thread wasn't "Let's Talk Politics". I think that would have been too challenging as well. Bring this discussion down to its elemental structure as you did the last thread and there might be some hope.

With deep apologies for my brutal honesty, but the truth will set you free (that's my belief).

X

Brutal honesty is always welcome Sir, but if you read this thread, you'll notice thus far that it is going well! I am sorry that you have such an apparent prejudice against religion in general, and although I realize a thread about God would tend to attract the ideas of religion, I am only talking of God and not the myriad religious ideas that tend to follow close behind.
In regards to your comments about no evidence of God, I beg to differ! No matter where I look I am always seeing the evidence of a Grand Intelligence!

Originally Posted by denmason

I find this all very amusing, but I have to wonder about a few things... like:
Does there need to be a reason for this place we call Earth?
Doesn't god have better things to do than to watch over us?
Why can't I find anything about Jesus in history books? (I've looked very hard and for a very long time.)

To me, I see religion as a ways and means to control people. And it has been working very well for a very long time. I have always enjoyed George Carlin's views: http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm

Or... check out the beginning of this short little video:

Could you remove the video link in your post? I've heard that argument before and it's rubbish. Also it's a video specifically made to rip on Christians and I DON'T think that's in the spirit of the thread. That's not forwarding your own views...that's pulling someone else's down.

Originally Posted by JMS

I believe Jesus said the exact same thing!
I wasn't intending to start this thread now but it looks like I have!

Interesting. Have you ever heard of Thomas Jefferson's New Testament? He took a regulat NT and removed everything that was not a quote of Christ. Very interesting read.

Greg

Originally Posted by JMS

I look I am always seeing the evidence of a Grand Intelligence!

No, you see the result of billions of years of natural evolution. Your pre-existing misconceptions about the nature of the universe lead you to misinterpret what you are observing. The first sentence is a fact. The second is a belief.

Let's start HERE.

X

Originally Posted by xman

No, you see the result of billions of years of natural evolution. Your pre-existing misconceptions about the nature of the universe lead you to misinterpret what you are observing. The first sentence is a fact. The second is a belief.

X

I am glad you are capable of seeing through my eyes!
Now, lets move forward!

Originally Posted by WireBeard

Interesting. Have you ever heard of Thomas Jefferson's New Testament? He took a regulat NT and removed everything that was not a quote of Christ. Very interesting read.

Greg

I've heard of it but never read it!

Originally Posted by JMS

Now, lets move forward!

Questionaire

Originally Posted by denmason

Or... check out the beginning of this short little video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81422995115331