Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by BobH

Yes, my point exactly. How does Putin so far locking up roughly 13,000 protesters for marching who were not camped out in Red Square for going on a month compare with how Trudeau treated the truckers in Canada. Great Russian disinformation in support of Putin and his war in Ukraine. Had the truckers protested for a day and then left having made their point nothing would have happened to them unlike in Putin's Russia.

Bob

Call me cynical but I see no difference between politicians worldwide. They all have an agenda.
The only difference is at what point in time & to what degree they flex their muscles via police & /or military.

Originally Posted by Bill31521

Millions of people live in Manhattan. Only a few hours? Lol. Only 300 extortionists trying to shake down the taxpayer. 30 years ago it was young men looking for work. Now it's middle age women with 4 children. Some of which are not even theirs. I need a passport to get into another country. And they know who I am. Cradle to grave here as you know. There is no reliable way to know who is coming and for what reason. Actually they are coming for free stuff. Otherwise they wouldn't come. Theres a severe labor shortage in certain occupations. They aren't coming for work. Otherwise there would be no shortage.

I don't want to start here what happened to that other thread but you know I worked 30 years for the INS. I was both on the benefits end and a Special Agent so I know a little about the folks coming into the U.S. I worked in NYC, Los Angeles, San Diego, here in New Mexico and along the border.

No matter what you want to talk about there are always those looking to take advantage of it whether it's contractors in the USA gaming the system to line their pockets or U.S citizens applying for free money cheating the system and in that vein there are aliens who are crooks and criminals and cheats.

However, whether you want to believe it or not the average illegal is an honest hardworking person looking to better themselves. Most do jobs you wouldn't do and they work for lower wages and are taken advantage of by U.S Citizens. Most have no desire to stay in the U.S and would rather be home. Most send money home every month to their families.

I could tell you about the overturned vans I've encountered with aliens desperate to come here and they've wound up dead on the side of the road. Maybe the trailers loaded with 30 or 40 aliens abandoned in the Arizona summer with many dead or dying. I can't think of any other country where that would happen. Can you?

But, if you care to believe they are all bad people looking to commit crimes and steal you can continue to do that.

No, I don't think we should have open borders. I've deported, prosecuted, imprisoned and sent back scores of them. That's a failing of every administration going back 40 years or more.

Plus, we haven't even touched on those who come here legally from every country in the world and just never leave.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Call me cynical but I see no difference between politicians worldwide. They all have an agenda.
The only difference is at what point in time & to what degree they flex their muscles via police & /or military.

Well, that's the whole thing, degree. What's the difference between a poor person and a rich person? It's degree of wealth. What's the difference between Hitler and Putin, it's degree.

In the end it means nothing. You judge each thing on it's own merits. Human history is replete with countries decimating another. Just because it's the 21st century that means nothing. It's just a meaningless number. Human's haven't changed in a million years. They find it very easy to kill members of their own species. The more dissimilar the others are, the easier it gets.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Call me cynical but I see no difference between politicians worldwide. They all have an agenda.
The only difference is at what point in time & to what degree they flex their muscles via police & /or military.

I am a cynic also. As TBS has said it is the degree to which they are willing to go in deploying the police/military and at what point they are willing to do so. No country at any time has ever allowed citizens to do what they want when they want as that would be anarchy. Again you are back to degrees of freedom that are allowed. There is a hell of a difference between Trudeau and Putin. That is also what separates a dictatorship from a democracy. If we can't tell the difference then we are all in trouble.

Bob

I had this all typed out then I decided screw it go find it yourselves

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USA Today,,, Ukrainian biolabs are Russian misinformation
Victoria Nuland, Marco Rubio Ukrainian Biolabs


WTH ???

Well you mean...Agreement Between the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
and UKRAINE
Signed at Kiev August 29, 2005.

It was meant to stop proliferation of biologic weapons and the U.S granted funds to modernize and make safer labs in Ukraine. The U.S does not run or control them but of course take a grain of truth and turn it into another grand conspiracy first started by Russia and regurgitated by the Putin lovers in the U.S.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Well you mean...Agreement Between the
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
and UKRAINE
Signed at Kiev August 29, 2005.

It was meant to stop proliferation of biologic weapons and the U.S granted funds to modernize and make safer labs in Ukraine. The U.S does not run or control them but of course take a grain of truth and turn it into another grand conspiracy first started by Russia and regurgitated by the Putin lovers in the U.S.

Did you watch the exchange ???

Someone explain it to me. How does making biological weapons stop their proliferation ?

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I don't want to start here what happened to that other thread but you know I worked 30 years for the INS.

Foreigner question.

What's the INS?

Originally Posted by STF

Foreigner question.

What's the INS?

Foreigner's answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...zation_Service

Bob