Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by STF

There's always the outside chance that if the west does get into it with Russia, Putin won't press the button.

Maybe he could have a WWIII without firing nukes.

I was just thinking, Nukes have only ever been used in anger once, twice actually and it wasn't the Russians that did it.

You are correct! Us Yanks pushed the button on that one. Everyone is talking about war crimes against Russia. I believe someone else is guilty of atrocities that were far more horrific. Were they held accountable? The argument is that it saved thousands of lives..... Really?

What's your definition of a world war?

If a country is seriously threatened or attacked and they have nukes they will use them at some point.

Do you think France would allow themselves to be invaded without using everything at their disposal?

Originally Posted by Johntoad57

You are correct! Us Yanks pushed the button on that one. Everyone is talking about war crimes against Russia. I believe someone else is guilty of atrocities that were far more horrific. Were they held accountable? The argument is that it saved thousands of lives..... Really?

Simply a case of the winners dictating to the losers as it always has been. Had the other side won WWII the war crimes trials would have looked completely different. As long as there are humans there will be war and every war has war crimes.

Bob

Originally Posted by Johntoad57

You are correct! Us Yanks pushed the button on that one. Everyone is talking about war crimes against Russia. I believe someone else is guilty of atrocities that were far more horrific. Were they held accountable? The argument is that it saved thousands of lives..... Really?

You want fairness? Dream on.

Atrocities of all proportion are committed all the time and no one is held accountable.

You are talking about a time of a World War and action against an attacker.

Did Japan commit atrocities against many peoples as well as Germany. Sure some were captured and tried but most escaped and lived a very comfortable life.

You could talk about our use of nukes on Japan all you want and debate options and truth and lies. There are countless books about it.

The bottom line is it stopped the war immediately after the second bomb. Also don't forget the bombs dropped on Japan are like firecrackers compared to the ones they have now.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The bottom line is it stopped the war immediately after the second bomb. Also don't forget the bombs dropped on Japan are like firecrackers compared to the ones they have now.

Of course it stopped the war, thousands of Japanese were dead or dying, and as we're castigating Russia for shelling civilians, remember who the two bombs were dropped on. Obviously they didn't want to risk a third bomb, who would. The Germans were beaten without Nukes and no doubt the Japanese would have been too, or maybe they would have won, who knows.

They might have been firecrackers in comparison to what is made now but, they didn't feel like fire crackers to the Japanese civilians that were still dying of cancer for many years after.

I don't want to get into the rights or wrongs of it because I really like that this thread is civilized, I just think that poeple that live in glass houses....

Japan -

After the Battle for Okinawa, it was estimated that taking the home Islands would have resulted in the loss of 1 Million Japanese (Conservatively) and 100,000 allied lives

This is a pretty good article with much higher numbers that were deduced after the war, yes we did actually have plans to invade...

There are many such articles with good info about why we dropped the two bombs..

Also I had input from my parents about post WW2 Japan since pops was stationed there in 1953, in fact my Sister was born in Nagoya

https://ladailypost.com/what-if-the-...on-nov-1-1945/

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You want fairness? Dream on.

Atrocities of all proportion are committed all the time and no one is held accountable.

You are talking about a time of a World War and action against an attacker.

Did Japan commit atrocities against many peoples as well as Germany. Sure some were captured and tried but most escaped and lived a very comfortable life.

You could talk about our use of nukes on Japan all you want and debate options and truth and lies. There are countless books about it.

The bottom line is it stopped the war immediately after the second bomb. Also don't forget the bombs dropped on Japan are like firecrackers compared to the ones they have now.

Who said anything about fairness? You can slice it and dice however you want, make it look good according to however you want. It is and was one of the greatest atrocities in human history. The bombs destroyed innocent civilians, not military targets. Who was held accountable for that? No One! You can say what you like but I think it was the wrong decision to annihilate innocent people.

To be real, every major power who participated in WWII committed the war crime of deliberately killing civilians at on time or another during that conflict. The scale of those acts far exceeds the scale of what Russia is doing today in Ukraine. Other than that there is no real difference. They are all war crimes. There is nothing to argue about.

Bob

Bigger atrocities have taken place in the last 20 years, a conservative estimate by some say as many as half a million civilians could have died In the Iraq invasion, most thinking people in the UK still hold the Labour party and Tony Blair and his lies responsible for a lot of those deaths I'm one, he should be charged with War crimes with his bullshit weapons of mass destruction that never were, the world is more like the matrix than we think, If you want to find the truth most of the time just follow the economic money trail.

Is anyone upset about the outcome of WW2? Because the goal imo should be victory. If we were kindler and gentler to the enemy and lost the war would that have been better? If anyone thinks the axis would not have LOVED to drop the big one on NYC or DC among many other major cities then you need to think about that. Let's start with Manchuria in 1931. That some regard as the official start of WW2. I don't want to argue that point. 1 million civilians + and peasants killed raped executed. Shot like dogs. We should have killed them with kindness. Lol. Maybe a box of chocolate and diplomacy would have won the war. I don't think so. I'm glad they dropped that bugger. Twice. I am glad I don't have to make.decisions regarding many peoples lives. But I'm glad they did having said that where do you start the mourning process? Some estimate 80 million dead as total dead including civilians. I don't know how accurate that would be but we can say many many millions died.