Thread: The Ukraine Situation

With the greatest respect.

I think maybe we should return to talking about Ukraine, it would be a shame if this thread went the way of the Covid one and eventually just vanishes.

Just my humble opinion.

I'll start. Gosh isn't it terrible what the Ukrainians are going through at the hands of Putin

Originally Posted by STF

With the greatest respect.

I think maybe we should return to talking about Ukraine, it would be a shame if this thread went the way of the Covid one and eventually just vanishes.

Just my humble opinion.

I'll start. Gosh isn't it terrible what the Ukrainians are going through at the hands of Putin

LOL you gotta understand the mind of an American White Liberal my friend, he can't help himself .. and we will call out his lies and half truths

Besides over the weekend his boy screwed up so bad that even WaPo is scared of WW3,, It is a headline across the world "The Nine Words that Shook The World"

I think the best statement I have heard all weekend so far is from Rachel Campos-Duffy
"Jill Biden knew during the campaign, and she KNOWS now he isn't up to this job, A spouse knows"

This is beyond politics now, he has become dangerous in his dementia/senility

So glad I live in one of the safest spots in the US if this goes sideways, and after the Call for Russian regime change from Mumbles that possibility just increased...

Sorry Nelson,,, He is Dangerous now, he needs to step down even if it means "Dumb as a Rock" in his place

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So glad I live in one of the safest spots in the US if this goes sideways, and after the Call for Russian regime change from Mumbles that possibility just increased...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Glen.

If those mushroom clouds start appearing, ANYWHERE in the world it doesn't matter where you live.

Once that dirt and dust that becomes fallout hits the slipstream it's going global and if the fallout doesn't get you, the nuclear winter and accomanying ice age that follows sure will.

There may be a ray of hope for an eventual diplomatic solution to the Ukraine war.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia...nbas-1.6397665

That to me would be the best outcome when compared to the other alternatives.

Bob

There will be a "diplomatic" solution quickly if the Ukraine is given the arms they need to defend themselves. And there would have been one if the arms they need were there before the invasion.

Originally Posted by Bill31521

There will be a "diplomatic" solution quickly if the Ukraine is given the arms they need to defend themselves. And there would have been one if the arms they need were there before the invasion.

They have been given enough arms so far to at least stalemate the war and make Putin appear to revise his goals in that war. That may open the way for a face saving diplomatic solution for him. Putin is also under tremendous pressure on the home front due to the massive sanctions on Russia. Just wait till the butcher's bill is paid at home in Russia when the folks find out just how many boys are not coming home and many that do have a hate on for what Putin put them through. That may lead to some big changes in the long run, dare we say regime change for Russia itself.

As for we should have given arms sooner, hindsight is always 20/20. If there is a diplomatic solution the rest of the world had better jump in and help reconstruction in Ukraine. That would include rearming and modernising Ukraine's military to discourage any further Russian ideas of encroaching on Ukraine's territory.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

They have been given enough arms so far to at least stalemate the war and make Putin appear to revise his goals in that war. That may open the way for a face saving diplomatic solution for him. Putin is also under tremendous pressure on the home front due to the massive sanctions on Russia. Just wait till the butcher's bill is paid at home in Russia when the folks find out just how many boys are not coming home and many that do have a hate on for what Putin put them through. That may lead to some big changes in the long run, dare we say regime change for Russia itself.

As for we should have given arms sooner, hindsight is always 20/20. If there is a diplomatic solution the rest of the world had better jump in and help reconstruction in Ukraine. That would include rearming and modernising Ukraine's military to discourage any further Russian ideas of encroaching on Ukraine's territory.

Bob

100k troops on the border? What does that mean? If your a soldier and someone is loading their gun I think it prudent to prepare to defend yourself quicky and with deadly force. If the right support was available quickly it's likely that he would have opted to not do anything. I don't think he would have taken a chance at the Russian army getting routed. They're taking a beating as it is. There's an old.saying. you can commit injustice by doing nothing.

Originally Posted by Bill31521

100k troops on the border? What does that mean? If your a soldier and someone is loading their gun I think it prudent to prepare to defend yourself quicky and with deadly force. If the right support was available quickly it's likely that he would have opted to not do anything. I don't think he would have taken a chance at the Russian army getting routed. They're taking a beating as it is. There's an old.saying. you can commit injustice by doing nothing.

It means that NATO is beefing up it's borders with Russia. That is in case Russia decides it wants some of the territory covered by the NATO agreement. The Ukraine is not part of NATO and as such NATO can't exercise it's mandate to protect a NATO country directly. It is as simple as that. We will never know with any certainty what Putin would have done had the circumstances been different. In that respect you have to deal with the here and now not what might have been which is for the most part irrelevant at this stage in the game.

The only other course of action open to people who feel that there is injustice regarding what has been done so far, is to get their body over to Ukraine and actually join in the fight as many have done already.

Bob

Originally Posted by STF

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Glen.

If those mushroom clouds start appearing, ANYWHERE in the world it doesn't matter where you live.

Once that dirt and dust that becomes fallout hits the slipstream it's going global and if the fallout doesn't get you, the nuclear winter and accomanying ice age that follows sure will.

Yeah That isn't true, in fact most of Canada is safe too

BUT

If you want to believe in fatalism I ain't going to try and convince you otherwise nor an I going to try and explain why there are safe pockets ...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Yeah That isn't true, in fact most of Canada is safe too

BUT

If you want to believe in fatalism I ain't going to try and convince you otherwise nor an I going to try and explain why there are safe pockets ...

Respectfully Glen, I spent 5 years learning about this stuff and I can assure you that there is nowhere safe in the US or Canada, in fact there are very very few places in the entire world that are safe in the event of a nuclear conflict.

If in fact you are in a safe area which you're not, what will you eat when all crops are radioactive, all animals are dead of radiation sickness from either fallout or eating the radioactive grass etc. Cockroaches are immune to radioactivity so i suppose you could learn to like the taste of them. The sun is blocked out and there's a new ice age, hope you have a warm coat.

Where is it you are Idaho is it or Colarado, either way i hope your ranch is a safe haven and the ice age stops at your boundary fence with the sun shing directly at your house. Even if that ridiculous scenario happened, how many people will arrive at your door for your food and shelter, I hope you have been stockpiling ammo.

Their are people that mistakenly say that you could come out of your fallout shelter after 2 weeks - assuming your fallout shelter has air scrubbers or you gonna die from the fallout or suffocate if it's airtight. It may be true that fallout will stop coming down within 2 weeks but the ground that your walking on may be radioactive for thousands of years. Just as well it will be buried under the ice and glaciers of the new ice age eh.

The US is a primary target, forget the government targets, remember how many Nuclear Power Stations you have and they are all primary targets, same goes for Canada and many other countries.

It was you that actually recommended that I read Last Ship, I didn't learn too much but it was made clear that it was very difficult to find anywhere safe. I know it was fiction and some really important facts were overlooked but as far as finding somewhere safe goes it was pretty close and don't forget your other recommedation "One Minute After". A nuke doesn't have to be detonated above the atmospere to create an electromagnetic pulse, any nuke will do that - no power - no fire service, Ambulance, no cars, campfire on your front yard because your cooker does'nt work and you would be cooking whatever you can catch because your fridge is off, oh no that won't work because whatever you can catch and cook will be radio active.