I didn't mean to imply the ship has sunk but we are about at the 5 min till mark . Nor do I think we need to squander any resource. But it does matter that at the level we are that what we can do I'd hope for the best because the whole end of times mentality means jack . When the powers that be decide they need what's left to support the ruling class we are all screwed. There are currently two classes of people on earth rich and screwed as this becomes a wider divide there will be slaves and gov (big biz) I am no survival guy nor do I give a rodents arse about it all. But I think as I said before no reason to refuse all comfort I can afford to give myself and my family.