Thread: Knives, rights, etc.

Spike, I like you more and more, I wished I had the money to fly over for the UK get together, I think a little face to face chatwould be a great thing. The primary problem here is the same as yours(IMO) the two parties available do not unite the people but are devised to divide the people, we haggle and bicker over the mundane, while the real issues(liberty) are shelved or misplaced/misrepresented. Straining the gnats while swallowing the camel. Thus the apathy, whatta ya goin' ta do about it? As for your despicable little war, I wonder how many Americans funded that one.BTW they wont outlaw their cricket bats only yours and you should go back and read 1984 if its been awhile.Curiouser and curiouser. Somebody should start a thread on 1984 for open discussion.Hint, wink,smile!

Originally Posted by jockeys

isn't the purpose of every knife to cut something? isn't the thing that gets cut always at the discretion of the user?

as an example, observe the US Marines. some of the most highly-trained knife fighters in the world. they do not carry some special, tactical, high-speed low-drag combat knife. they carry an ordinary hunting knife, the design of which is 110 years old. as they say here in Texas, "it ain't the song, it's the singer."

KA-BAR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And for anyone who's never seen one, it is a very capable man killing knife. To put it in perspective, I'm 6 feet tall and the issued Ka-Bar is the length of my shin. I keep one by the bed

I've always got my mini-multi-tool on me and usually have my raptor clawed automatic with me. I guess it's a virtue of living where I do, but I could carry anything short of the Ka-Bar in plain view and no one would think twice about it. It's just accepted that most people have a knife of some sort on them and it's no big deal. Of course, anywhere else in Oklahoma you could get away with the Ka-Bar These damn pseudo-intellectuals can get on one's nerves, lemme tell ya! You know the type: people that **** their pants at the thought of a pistol or some coffee that isn't Starbucks

What scares me is how much I agree with you guys! I come from family of fairly radical liberals & think that our Labour party is reactionary. In my ignorance, I thought I would have very little common political ground with any colonial, let alone a conservative.... I'm glad to be wrong

I last reread "1984" about two years ago. You understand the regime Winston Smith lived under. It isn't that much worse than modern Britain. There is one "security" CCTV camera for every 12 people. The powers have the right to intercept "for security purposes" any form of communication. These intercepts are not for trial or evidentiary purposes, but for "threat assessment" Just typing this could, in theory, bring Special Branch, our political police, or MI5, our secret police knocking on my door because I am formenting terrorism by vehemently disagreeing with them. The thought police are not over the horizon, they are already here.

We may theoretically live in a multiparty democracy, but I cannot see any difference between Labour & Conservative. Neither represents the will of the people or offer any ideas that haven't been kicking around for at least a decade. They just seem to sail on regardless of the wind or wave of public opinion. The current oil-price crisis is a case in point. Yes I know, the global price has hit the stratosphere, but our government's taxes &duties drive the price of gasoline up to about $9.50 a gallon for your average Brit. As to the mechanics of British democracy? You only get any sort of say if you are lucky enough to live in one of the constituencies that is not a "safe seat" for one or other of the parties. Wales is almost solidly Labour, so my vote has no value. I still go off to the polling station every opportunity though.

The real issues are given enough policy attention in order that the gits can claim they are doing something, but no action is really taken. It's government for the next six weeks, when it is our children & their children who are being damaged by the lack of foresight. My personal bugbear is their sloth in taking any action at all on environmental issues

Do not get me started on the war in Northern Ireland, least of all the foreign funding. I would not claim to have any sort of solution for what happened because all sides committed war crimes. I say that having an uncle who did four tours in the province & civilian friends of both flavours. I myself spent three months in Belfast in 94, learning how to treat bullet wounds in the Royal Vic ER.

Ye Gods! I'm waffling/ranting. Again

My point is that if someone REALLY want to murder someone else, that he wants it more than anything, he will not need a weapon to do it. With the intent to harm, any object can become a weapon. Arteries are not that deep under the skin, so a nail file, a credit card or even a straw is enough to put a life in danger.

Personally, if I have pants, you can be sure I have a knife too. As a tool. Everyone that knows me also know I carry a knife (at least one) and that they can come to me if they have something they need to cut. I've been working on a lot of events at school and even the security guys are used to see me take a knife out for tie wraps, strings and whatever need to be cut when we prepare those events.

Of course I'm not dumb enough to carry something illegal and I always use them in a responsible way.

On the knife forums I'm on, my sig is: "Keep knives away from young children and irresponsible adults". It says a lot about what I think.

If you really want to kill someone, you have all the weapons you will ever need. One on the end of each arm

So can we expect amputations as the next crime control measure?

"If I needed a really offensive weapon which could kill silently at 400 yards & is not in any way illegal, I would walk 200 yards to our local woods & a couple of hours later have my self one. It's called a longbow..."

Spike J


***Spike, I hear ya'. I worked in a Blacksmith Shop for seven years and I have done Hobby Blacksmithing for quite a while. I can MAKE a knife, any kind of fixed blade knife you want! I have the steel, I have the tools and the anvil. MAKING a workable gun isn't outside the ability of a motivated, halfway skillful individual.


"The problem, IMHO, if this idiocy should come to pass, is enforcement. What would prevent some bored & vindictive bobby planting a blade on some unfortunate?"

SpikeJ


***There have been many stories told and not a few films made about the police bringing their own evidence when they come to arrest someone.
IF a person wanted someone dead and didn't care how many other people were hurt, or killed, it might be really messy, but it CAN be done.

Murder is a matter of will, not weapon. It's what you have in your heart, not your hand!

Regards,

Jeeter

Jockeys,

I just had the time to read the story you linked to at the beginning of this thread. I can't believe the lunacy of some people!
I have always wanted (badly) to visit Scotland. I have forgotten that! There's nothing wrong with Scotland. I disagree with people trying to engineer a society where nobody can possible get hurt, EVER. It can't be done and they know it.
It's impossible to idiot-proof the entire world. I have seen some very inventive idiots. They could maim themselves (or another) with a greasy string.

Jeeter

Great thread!

I have a small collection of knives. I carry a Benchmade folder everyday. In Connecticut, it is legal because the sharpened portion of the blade is less than four inches long. Forty miles away, in New York City the same knife is illegal because it is considered a "gravity knife". Yet a few years back some nut boarded the Staten Island Ferry with a perfectly legal "antique" sword and ran a bunch of people through. My point is the laws are arbitrary.

There are constant pressures to make the world a soft and fuzzy place. But how can this happen when it is populated by violent humans? I am (seriously) afraid that one day very soon my dog Basil will be outlawed because of socio-political pressures.

icedog, dogs like yours are already being banned around here due to people not training them properly, left on their own these dogs get in trouble. Being the popular big dog of the day they get painted with a very broad brush and in avery negative way. Too many people teach them to fight etc. Reminds me of the anti dog idiocy of the 60's (german shepards) and 70s(dobermans). Police and other authorities hunt these animals down for disposal, especially after an attack. The authorities blame the animal and not the irresponsible owner.BTW: the animal pays for the sins of men, the idiot human runs loose. But as long as they pretend to deal with the symptoms and not reach for the cure they can keep clamoring for more power and money.

I can't really say it any better than this folks, read this little article and you tell me what the hell is going on in the world?

London article

K

PS: And just so we don't overlook the old land of the brave and free:

Washington Post article