Thread: Knives, rights, etc.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

By the way I have never carried a knife with the intention that it be for self-defense, unless for some reason a gun was not allowed. If they took away my knife I'd carry a kubokan, take away that and I'd still carry a very sturdy ball point.

Good ol' BIC. The paper pushers won't know what to do about that one

It doesn't matter one whit to me if it is a gun, or a knife. I have the fundamental right NOT to be the victim of a violent crime!
I MAY someday be killed by an attacker, but they'll have it to do! I don't plan to "go gentle into that good night."

The things I'm hearing about life for our brethren in the UK are alarming, and more alarming to me is that there are many politicians and media types in the U.S. who are using the UK as an example of their own version of Utopia....
Spike, FWIW, while I do own firearms, I also have a dry stave of yew approximately 6'1" in my garage that I've done some roughing to already...even have cow horn nocks for the thing as well as a spool of Irish linen for a string.....also hearing a liberal say some of the things I read from you gives me hope for liberals in general.

When it pertains to us Americans, I believe that knives as weapons, or in fact *any* weapon are protected under our 2nd Amendment as "arms" although most of the attention is placed on firearms so many knife laws have slipped through with less notice perhaps.

Your description of things in the UK, control of voting, CCTV every where, etc. frightens me, because there are many at the head of US political entities who believe that is just the way things should be here as well. They claim crime rates go down (when really....do they?) and many other things.

What I've noticed about this...as that as each new sweeping measure is passed to disarm the (honest) public, the criminal element gains a magnitude of advantage. The thug planning to come through your window to rape and murder your daughter...doesn't care that it is illegal for him to carry his knife or gun. You, on the other hand, as a law abiding citizen(subject...) he can be reasonably sure, will be disarmed. Thanks Politicians for making it easier for him....
As this continues to progress, an unarmed population which is defenseless without government/police intervention are also more likely to be amenable to ummm more government "police" type organizations being created for their "protection".
Since, apparently, we can't be trusted to protect ourselves....
KGB, Stasi, and Gestapo were already taken, any guesses what the new UK or USA equivalents would be?
UK perhaps a little closer to this than the US, but there are quite a few prominent figures for whom such an idea is appealing, also (remember the Clinton push for a "national police force"?-what exactly does one think the Gestapo was, anyway?). They haven't given up on the idea, and will use "global warming" "terror" "the environment" and just about any other fear, real or trumped up, to give their idea support, and they will continue to "repackage" the idea until it seems like something completely benign and beneficial (NAFTA anyone?) and portray those who oppose it as paranoid, right-wing extremists, or conspiracy whackos.
Then people start disappearing. Not some guy from Afghanistan or Yemen with IED's or severed heads in his basement, but the "terrorist" or "environmental abuser" down the street. Thankfully, since we would be unarmed, the government could take such people away and "protect" us from them.

Some of my firearms this new police force could take if they wished, others, unfortunately, they would have to get one bullet at a time.

Hopefully none of this happens, but the handwriting is on the wall, and it is ominous that at such a time when the people are most concerned about their governments getting out of control, seemingly benign and peaceful organizations are attacking the very right of the people to defend itself should things get completely out of hand...

Sorry for the rant folks, it's all I know how to do these days....

John P.

You only missed one thing John- we'll do it for the children! It's always passed off as being for the children.

Of course, for the children!
Torques me off that they think they also know what is best for our children, when they can't even figure out how to keep the adults safe. Brainwashing at its finest. My mother was a teacher until the day she died, and the rumblings were already starting just 10 years ago, what with one curriculum being pushed over another, and less and less teacher control over what was taught and more and more conformity to government textbook decisions and outlines required. I am not a teacher, but with all the writing that was on the wall it wouldn't surprise me that at least at public schools the teachers' hands are pretty much tied, and likewise many universities seem to have unwritten restrictions, where certain agendas should be adhered to if a professor desired tenure.

Of course, I may just be overly suspicious, but it is never the suspicious man that is surprised when evil occurs, but the one blindly skipping along to the favorite tune of well, everyone else's favorite tune.


John P.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Shock tactics for knife carriers

You see gents, knives in this country are our latest social evil. Social evil is good description of what our government is doing.

There have been a number of stabbings in this country & the media is whipping it up into the political hot potato ahead of the summer lull. The more I see, the more I want to head for the hills.

Originally Posted by Spike J

The more I see, the more I want to head for the hills.

You are welcome to come here, as we need more men who think like you do in this country! Don't forget to bring your mead!!

Originally Posted by JohnP

The things I'm hearing about life for our brethren in the UK are alarming, and more alarming to me is that there are many politicians and media types in the U.S. who are using the UK as an example of their own version of Utopia....
Spike, FWIW, while I do own firearms, I also have a dry stave of yew approximately 6'1" in my garage that I've done some roughing to already...even have cow horn nocks for the thing as well as a spool of Irish linen for a string.....also hearing a liberal say some of the things I read from you gives me hope for liberals in general.

When it pertains to us Americans, I believe that knives as weapons, or in fact *any* weapon are protected under our 2nd Amendment as "arms" although most of the attention is placed on firearms so many knife laws have slipped through with less notice perhaps.

Your description of things in the UK, control of voting, CCTV every where, etc. frightens me, because there are many at the head of US political entities who believe that is just the way things should be here as well. They claim crime rates go down (when really....do they?) and many other things.

What I've noticed about this...as that as each new sweeping measure is passed to disarm the (honest) public, the criminal element gains a magnitude of advantage. The thug planning to come through your window to rape and murder your daughter...doesn't care that it is illegal for him to carry his knife or gun. You, on the other hand, as a law abiding citizen(subject...) he can be reasonably sure, will be disarmed. Thanks Politicians for making it easier for him....
As this continues to progress, an unarmed population which is defenseless without government/police intervention are also more likely to be amenable to ummm more government "police" type organizations being created for their "protection".
Since, apparently, we can't be trusted to protect ourselves....
KGB, Stasi, and Gestapo were already taken, any guesses what the new UK or USA equivalents would be?
UK perhaps a little closer to this than the US, but there are quite a few prominent figures for whom such an idea is appealing, also (remember the Clinton push for a "national police force"?-what exactly does one think the Gestapo was, anyway?). They haven't given up on the idea, and will use "global warming" "terror" "the environment" and just about any other fear, real or trumped up, to give their idea support, and they will continue to "repackage" the idea until it seems like something completely benign and beneficial (NAFTA anyone?) and portray those who oppose it as paranoid, right-wing extremists, or conspiracy whackos.
Then people start disappearing. Not some guy from Afghanistan or Yemen with IED's or severed heads in his basement, but the "terrorist" or "environmental abuser" down the street. Thankfully, since we would be unarmed, the government could take such people away and "protect" us from them.

Some of my firearms this new police force could take if they wished, others, unfortunately, they would have to get one bullet at a time.

Hopefully none of this happens, but the handwriting is on the wall, and it is ominous that at such a time when the people are most concerned about their governments getting out of control, seemingly benign and peaceful organizations are attacking the very right of the people to defend itself should things get completely out of hand...

Sorry for the rant folks, it's all I know how to do these days....

John P.

John ever hear of HOMELAND SECURITY?

What seems to be common between here & the States is that the governments are determined to make us terrified in our own homes. Be it by Islamic extremists, knife wielding hoodies or their own incompetence. They trumpet their new measures, which fail to do anything at all as the solution & the problem gets worse. Most if not all of the recent stabbings in this country have been committed by youths, ie under 16s, with knives they stole from the cutlery draw at home. So our leaders in their wisdom want to criminalise everyone who owns a knife. Does this really sound like joined up thinking to you guys?

My solution FWIW is the reintroduction of corporal punishment in schools & homes. A parent can be charged with assault for smacking their child, I kid you not. If A decent standard of discipline was established, those who could or would not obey the rules of a civilised society would learn the hard & painful consequences of their misbehaviour. A cane across the back of the knuckles reminds you not to do it far longer than a telling off. Why limit it to schools? The Prisons are so overcrowded that thinning out their population with a birch would save both the system & the prisoners. I have always been of the opinion that flogging should be the prescibed punishment for any form of sexual assault. Then again I would volunteer to handle the whip

PS Thankyou very much for your kind offer JMS. We'd like to come visit at some point, but my diabetes would prevent us ever settling in the land of the free. Besides, someone needs to keep this bunch of loonies under control