Thread: Stop the Bailout

"...In North America Elite Class = those that are doing better than the average..."

Hutch


YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! The ones who are doing better than me are the Upper Middle Class. The ones who are doing better than the Upper Middle Class are the Upper Class. The "American Elite" are those a**holes who have money that was left to them in a Trust Fund and who, by the way have never actually done a day's work. I mean like working concrete, logging, or driving a long-haul truck! Instead, they feel that it is their role to function much like the European Royalty. They all have a "Let MY conscience be YOUR guide" mentality.
WHEN THEY START PAYING MY BILLS, THEY CAN TELL ME HOW TO LIVE!

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

WHEN THEY START PAYING MY BILLS, THEY CAN TELL ME HOW TO LIVE!

Isn't that what governments up to now?

Actually, I don't want anyone paying my bills, OR telling me how to live!

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Actually, I don't want anyone paying my bills, OR telling me how to live!

Same here!

Here's a list of our senators and their votes taken today. They are not listening to the people. Time to remind them, or get the tar and feathers ready.
The Paulson Plan means you are going to eat it all, Paulson wants to keep the corrupt greed machine going, A Wall Street Bailout plan means you will pay for their mistakes, Administration trying to scare everyone into accepting bailout plan.

Alabama
Sessions (R) No; Shelby (R) No.
Alaska
Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes.
Arizona
Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes.
Arkansas
Lincoln (D) Yes; Pryor (D) Yes.
California
Boxer (D) Yes; Feinstein (D) Yes.
Colorado
Allard (R) No; Salazar (D) Yes.
Connecticut
Dodd (D) Yes; Lieberman (I) Yes.
Delaware
Biden (D) Yes; Carper (D) Yes.
Florida
Martinez (R) Yes; Nelson (D) No.
Georgia
Chambliss (R) Yes; Isakson (R) Yes.
Hawaii
Akaka (D) Yes; Inouye (D) Yes.
Idaho
Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) No.
Illinois
Durbin (D) Yes; Obama (D) Yes.
Indiana
Bayh (D) Yes; Lugar (R) Yes.
Iowa
Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) Yes.
Kansas
Brownback (R) No; Roberts (R) No.
Kentucky
Bunning (R) No; McConnell (R) Yes.
Louisiana
Landrieu (D) No; Vitter (R) No.
Maine
Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) Yes.
Maryland
Cardin (D) Yes; Mikulski (D) Yes.
Massachusetts
Kennedy (D) Not Voting; Kerry (D) Yes.
Michigan
Levin (D) Yes; Stabenow (D) No.
Minnesota
Coleman (R) Yes; Klobuchar (D) Yes.
Mississippi
Cochran (R) No; Wicker (R) No.
Missouri
Bond (R) Yes; McCaskill (D) Yes.
Montana
Baucus (D) Yes; Tester (D) No.
Nebraska
Hagel (R) Yes; Nelson (D) Yes.
Nevada
Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) Yes.
New Hampshire
Gregg (R) Yes; Sununu (R) Yes.
New Jersey
Lautenberg (D) Yes; Menendez (D) Yes.
New Mexico
Bingaman (D) Yes; Domenici (R) Yes.
New York
Clinton (D) Yes; Schumer (D) Yes.
North Carolina
Burr (R) Yes; Dole (R) No.
North Dakota
Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) No.
Ohio
Brown (D) Yes; Voinovich (R) Yes.
Oklahoma
Coburn (R) Yes; Inhofe (R) No.
Oregon
Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.
Pennsylvania
Casey (D) Yes; Specter (R) Yes.
Rhode Island
Reed (D) Yes; Whitehouse (D) Yes.
South Carolina
DeMint (R) No; Graham (R) Yes.
South Dakota
Johnson (D) No; Thune (R) Yes.
Tennessee
Alexander (R) Yes; Corker (R) Yes.
Texas
Cornyn (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes.
Utah
Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes.
Vermont
Leahy (D) Yes; Sanders (I) No.
Virginia
Warner (R) Yes; Webb (D) Yes.
Washington
Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) Yes.
West Virginia
Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) Yes.
Wisconsin
Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) Yes.
Wyoming
Barrasso (R) No; Enzi (R) No.

Originally Posted by denmason

Here's a list of our senators and their votes taken today. They are not listening to the people. Time to remind them, or get the tar and feathers ready.
The Paulson Plan means you are going to eat it all, Paulson wants to keep the corrupt greed machine going, A Wall Street Bailout plan means you will pay for their mistakes, Administration trying to scare everyone into accepting bailout plan.

Arizona
Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes.
Illinois
Durbin (D) Yes; Obama (D) Yes.

So, vote 3rd party in the presidential elections?
Somehow I don't think I agree with your words in blue, I don't think any of us has direct information of what happens at the congressional switchboard, however from the reports in the media it appears that the drop in the market has quickly chilled the initial opposition to the bill.
And as I've said before, the way I see it, either way, the people on Wall St. and Washington will always end up way better than those on 'Main St.'. In fact those on Wall St. who are not immediately threatened have been gearing up to play the same game as the government (with whatever money they can free up), and if that happens I'm pretty sure that they'll end up with the best slices and the gov will end up with the worse. At this point can't win it either way, so the question is what is the lesser evil. I'd still pick the gov. to stay out of it even if TSHTF, but if I had higher stakes, like many of you do, I may have picked otherwise.

Hahahaha!!

Originally Posted by gugi

So, vote 3rd party in the presidential elections?

Now you've got the idea, gugi!

Originally Posted by gugi

So, vote 3rd party in the presidential elections?
Somehow I don't think I agree with your words in blue, I don't think any of us has direct information of what happens at the congressional switchboard, however from the reports in the media it appears that the drop in the market has quickly chilled the initial opposition to the bill.
And as I've said before, the way I see it, either way, the people on Wall St. and Washington will always end up way better than those on 'Main St.'. In fact those on Wall St. who are not immediately threatened have been gearing up to play the same game as the government (with whatever money they can free up), and if that happens I'm pretty sure that they'll end up with the best slices and the gov will end up with the worse. At this point can't win it either way, so the question is what is the lesser evil. I'd still pick the gov. to stay out of it even if TSHTF, but if I had higher stakes, like many of you do, I may have picked otherwise.

Yes, vote 3rd party. Why vote for the lesser of two evils? You still end up with evil. I'm voting for the Constitutional Party.
This bill is a give away to Wall Street with little or no benefit to the people. The government's answer to the problem? Take $700 billion from Americans and give it to the banks so the banks can loan it right back to us. This has to be stopped. The Bush administration has been a big failure and has torn this country down. They think that we are all stupid ignorant sheep. How much further will WE let this insanity go? This bailout is not about helping the USA, it's about FOREIGN Debt. Much of what we are being told about this bailout is VERY vague, and requires much research. Wonder why? Because someone is lying to us.
In simple terms:
The government takes $700 billion dollars from you and gives it to the banks so they can loan it back to you!
It is pretty obvious that Congress is bought. Even California Senator Fienstein admits the calls from her constituents were running 90% opposed, but because she herself has a lot of money invested in Wall Street, she (like most of the Senate) voted for this bailout., which means they voted to steal your money and give it to themselves.
With the passage of this bailout. I think we have to accept that the US Government has just delegitimized itself. It is not working for the people who pay the bills; it only works for itself. The FED will then flood more of it's worthless paper (we call money) into the system and render our currency worthless. One more step towards the NAU. Can you say "AMERO"?

"We are taxed in our bread and our wine, in our income and our investments, on our land and on our property, not only for base creatures who do not deserve the name of men, but for foreign nations, for complaisant nations who will bow to us and accept our largesse and promise to assist us in the keeping of the peace - these mendicant nations who will destroy us when we show a moment of weakness or our treasury is bare, and it surely is becoming bare!... Is the heart of our nation worth these?... Were they bound to us with ties of love, they would not ask our gold. They would ask only our laws. They take our very flesh, and they hate and despise us. And who shall say we are worthy of more?"

"...Lost in the panic of a nearly 800-point drop in the Dow is a scary back story. And it's the reason why Washington yesterday had to pump $330 billion in liquidity into the frozen financial system - not only to the US banking system but also to Europe. Put simply, it's that we are no longer in control of our own financial markets. Japanese and Chinese investors, including the governments of both countries, are said to have pressed for our government's takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac several weeks ago. The threat, it has been reported, was that foreign government money from so-called sovereign wealth funds would no longer buy Fannie and Freddie's bonds if the feds didn't stand firmly behind them.
Foreign investments have enabled the US to expand its economy over the years, even though Americans have been saving and investing less."



Sorry for the long post.