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    I just mean to show that the taking of life is a complicated matter, one that should be in the hands of the individuals who understand and are dealing with it, not the government in it's infinite wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedog View Post
    I don't think anything is as important as eliminating any chance Sarah Palin has of becoming President of the United States of America. The woman is at very least a blatant liar
    How is any other candidiot any different? They let Quayle in as V.P. They let Mondale in as V.P. Lincoln, Nixon, Carter, King George II, Van Buren (and the list goes on and on) all made it to the very presidency. They're no different than Palin, they just picked different things to lie about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russel Baldridge View Post
    I just mean to show that the taking of life is a complicated matter, one that should be in the hands of the individuals who understand and are dealing with it, not the government in it's infinite wisdom.
    The problem is that either the unborn children have rights or they do not, and yet all individuals do not agree on that point. If the government doesn't have enough sense to know what it is dealing with, it should leave it to individuals as you say. But I support the government getting it right and protecting the lives of the unborn. Leaving it to individuals has resulted in tens of millions of abortions in the US in just 30 years. That the government not only stands back and allows it, but makes a decision supporting people's right to do so is unacceptable for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by riooso View Post


    Obama and his ilk are race bating punks.
    Hey, not only is this sort of statement hateful nonsense, this thread is strictly designated to bash Sarah Palin. If you can't say anything negative about her, than please keep your snotty comments to yourself, or start your own thread. So there (again)!

    Lee, regarding your off topic rants against abortion, I understand your concern about killing "innocent babies". However, as a man I don't understand why it should matter to you. I also don't think our government should get involved in the morality business. It is far too hypocritical an organization to entrust with choices regarding the bodies of individual adults. Your argument is that human life begins at conception. Others believe human life begins at birth. This is the essential argument.

    I raised two girls for eleven years. The older one came home from school one day when she was thirteen years old and asked me what my stance was on abortion. I explained that I don't agree with either of the two standard choices. I explained that I don't believe human life begins until a child reaches eighteen years of age and parents should be allowed to drop their kids off at a clinic to be aborted any timee up to the kid's eighteenth birthday. My stepdaughter was not very happy with my answer.

    Alot of people would like my mother to have aborted me. There are times I agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoglahoo View Post
    The problem is that either the unborn children have rights or they do not,
    No, the real problem is that the unborn are either children or they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maplemaker View Post
    How is any other candidiot any different? They let Quayle in as V.P. They let Mondale in as V.P. Lincoln, Nixon, Carter, King George II, Van Buren (and the list goes on and on) all made it to the very presidency. They're no different than Palin, they just picked different things to lie about.

    What is different about Palin is that it appears likely that if McCain/Palin win, she is statistically likely to become President. The fact that politicians are liars is not news. However, this woman is dangerously stupid and her blatant lies indicate a serious disrespect/disregard for the people of this country. Now please say something hateful about her.

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    To keep this on-topic:

    Sarah Palin is the sorriest, saddest excuse for a political candidate ever. So much so, it even eclipses the ineptitudes of G.W. Bush and Dan Quayle combined!



    It has, however, made for some excellent and enjoyable fodder for SNL and David Letterman! All of the debate skits on SNL (including the non-Palin ones) were really quite funny. I gave up on SNL ages ago,but the debate skits were well done indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottS View Post
    No, the real problem is that the unborn are either children or they're not.
    I didn't realize that has been questioned too

    Icedog, you don't know why it matters to me since I am a man? Don't be silly, that's akin to saying men should not be concerned with women's right to vote since they are not women. It's a question of rights. Do the unborn have rights to life that the government should protect? And I agree, the government shouldn't be making such moral determinations, but somebody needs to make it and the government is charged with protecting the lives of the people even from each other

    And yes, it has been an off-topic rant, although at least you'll know why I won't be helping keep Palin out of Washington. Any further posts I make in the thread should be in the spirit of bashing Palin, that feather-ruffler!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
    On that subject, here is an interesting vid of a person who actually survived an attempted abortion and is now a grown woman!

    Interesting to hear it from someone who actually had an attempt made on her life in an abortion clinic as an unborn child.

    YouTube - Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1
    I hope this chick's mother got her money back. Personally, I think they should keep trying until the abortion is successful. The thing is it would have been so much easier before she was born. Now that she's all grown up it may be a real pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoglahoo View Post
    Icedog, you don't know why it matters to me since I am a man? Don't be silly, that's akin to saying men should not be concerned with women's right to vote since they are not women.
    That is convoluted logic. WHen the constitution guarantees a right to vote for all adult American citizens, it is a right for men and women regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation. The argument there was that women and negroes were not considered people by all the folks in control. That is obviously a remarkably ignorant point of view, Sadly, today, that level of ignorance still exists in some circles. Regarding abortion? Well, that is an issue that affects primarily women and will be primarily a woman's concern until men get pregnant. I say "primarily" because the father of the fetus may in some circumstances have a valid input regarding the termination of the pregnancy for which he is (at least)50% responsible. However Lee, in most instances, it is no one's business but the woman who is pregnant.


    Now just bash that whacky idiot Palin.

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