Thread: OBAMA'S "NOT EXACTLY'S"

Originally Posted by Philadelph

Give me a break. It was funny for a second. Chuck Norris would probably be worse than Sarah Palin as President. He endorsed Mike Huckabee, saying “He doesn't abandon his values for what's expedient. Like our Founding Fathers, he's not afraid to stand up for a Creator and against secularist beliefs.” Against secular beliefs??? It's ridiculous and sad that so many Americans probably would find this quote to be a good one. Chuck would be just as bad as Huckabee who would be worse than McCain...

He must have had different Founding Fathers.......most were religious moderates or Deists.

Ooops! There me being an educated elitist again!

Originally Posted by Bruno

Any one candidate needs 270 electoral votes if I remember correctly.
Otherwise the choice for the President gets decided by house of representatives.
If no VP has an electoral majority, his choice gets passed to the senate.

But since the P and VP run together, I fail to see how it would be possible for them have a different number of electoral votes. Perhaps this is something from earlier days when they were not tied together?

It used to be that the lsoing candidate or candidate with the second most votes became VP. John Adams was the 2nd President, with Thomas Jefferson as his VP, because TJ came in second.

I think if they were alive today and saw the election process...I think the Constitution might be written differently.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Any one candidate needs 270 electoral votes if I remember correctly.
Otherwise the choice for the President gets decided by house of representatives.
If no VP has an electoral majority, his choice gets passed to the senate.

But since the P and VP run together, I fail to see how it would be possible for them have a different number of electoral votes. Perhaps this is something from earlier days when they were not tied together?

You got it exactly right. The Presidental choice goes to the Senate, and the VP choice goes to the House. This could have been a real scenario had the Supreme Court not intervened in 2000.

Originally Posted by Hutch

And on another point what if Obama was a Muslim? Is there a problem with American Muslims? I thought the US was about freedom and one of those freedoms is the freedom of Religion and the separation of church and state to ensure one can practice their religion without interference from the state. So is their a problem with a muslim holding the highest office in the country?

I like how no one has responded to Hutch's post above. Not exactly. This should be addressed though. In a few posts here, including the original thread starter, Obama's Muslim past (whatever that really consists of) has been brought up. SO WHAT? Just what we need- more bigoted American slander on a religion outside of Christianity. What do you care AT ALL what Obama's religion is??? You have the other end of the spectrum- Christian fundamentalists in the White House proclaiming their own holy callings and means for war and even more crawling up the political ladder. I don't hear the conservatives complaining there. Is your "god" better than a Muslim's? It should absolutely NO bearing on who should be President of the United States. We aren't electing your church's priest, bishop, or pope. It is a GOVERNMENTAL position, not a RELIGIOUS one. At least it should NOT be. I think we have heard little response to the above post because of what it might expose in terms of personal views. Sadly.

I'm afraid Hutch was the only one to bring it up Alex. I responded, not realizing it was a set up. once he exposed it as the set up it was instead of an honest question, I chose not to answer him!

Originally Posted by Hutch

One glaring problem, the Republican's are going after the fact that he sat in church listening to sermons from Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, then they want to call him a Muslim, which one is it, it can't be both.

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Originally Posted by JMS

I've not heard any politician call Obama a muslim. It is fact though that he was raised as such. Whether he stuck to those beliefs, only he can say for sure, But I can say with a certainty, based on Wrights sermons that neither of them are truly Christian!

Originally Posted by Hutch

And on another point what if Obama was a Muslim? Is there a problem with American Muslims? I thought the US was about freedom and one of those freedoms is the freedom of Religion and the separation of church and state to ensure one can practice their religion without interference from the state. So is their a problem with a muslim holding the highest office in the country?

He brought it up and I answered! his last reply and question is only intended to make one look like a fool if they answer, it is not an honest question and it casts my answer to his original point in a much different light than I intended!

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

OBAMA'S "NOT EXACTLY'S"

> 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election pro cess here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

> 6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....

Arcade@Home(tm) - MAME, N64 & PSX Emulators - B. Hussein Obama is a racist, his own words, even his own voice


> 7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'" Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'


> 8.) My School In Indonesia was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."

Originally Posted by JMS

I've not heard any politician call Obama a muslim. It is fact though that he was raised as such. Whether he stuck to those beliefs, only he can say for sure, But I can say with a certainty, based on Wrights sermons that neither of them are truly Christian!

There was plenty of mention. Although the starter of this thread just posted an email. I'm not saying it's just on you Mark, this has happened in plenty of other threads and it is even more troubling that these emails are floating around. I just think it needed to be addressed. What does it matter who is "TRULY" Christian or who used to be a Muslim? Let him say he is whatever he wants to be. Let's just hope that whatever that is, he (and no one else for that matter) brings it into their JOB in political office. It's downright offensive to the rest of the world that conservative Americans bring this stuff into play. Let's not kid ourselves here, Liberals generally don't/wouldn't use someone's Muslim heritage against them (in an underhanded way or not).

Originally Posted by Philadelph

I like how no one has responded to Hutch's post above. Not exactly. This should be addressed though. In a few posts here, including the original thread starter, Obama's Muslim past (whatever that really consists of) has been brought up. SO WHAT? Just what we need- more bigoted American slander on a religion outside of Christianity. What do you care AT ALL what Obama's religion is??? You have the other end of the spectrum- Christian fundamentalists in the White House proclaiming their own holy callings and means for war and even more crawling up the political ladder. I don't hear the conservatives complaining there. Is your "god" better than a Muslim's? It should absolutely NO bearing on who should be President of the United States. We aren't electing your church's priest, bishop, or pope. It is a GOVERNMENTAL position, not a RELIGIOUS one. At least it should NOT be. I think we have heard little response to the above post because of what it might expose in terms of personal views. Sadly.

If the McCain of today were the McCain of 2000, I might have supported him...but then he decided he wanted to be in the Oval office so bad (so he could do better than his dad the Admiral), he prostituted his ethics to the fringe right. Then he picked as a VP, one of the few GOP office holders who could make Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. Then the Rove crew started in: Muslim, terrorist, socialist, blah, blah, blah. I talked with a Dem local leader today (after some GOP-types stole the campaign sign out of my front yard...one sign...I have replaced it with five)...she told me that they have been instructed to be courteous and gracious.

So far, I have not seen anything to the contrary, except for the idiots who wore the rude shirts about Palin.

What could the Dems have done?

The could have called McCain's wife a drug addict (the GOP attacked Mrs. Obama)
They could have called McCain a hypocrite for his flip-flop from 2000 (the GOP has attacked Obama for any instance where he changed his stance on an issue, having received more information..ooo...imagine that...someone who reasons and adjust their position!)
They could have called McCain's war buddies in to talk about what he was really like in the Navy and to highlight that he was not the only POW in Hanoi or that received the offer to be released early and did not accept (the GOP has even talked with Obama's grade school teachers looking for dirt)
They could have highlighted how he cheated on his first wife - the woman who waited for him while he was in captivity.
They could have talked about how he was rejected for the War College until Daddy made a phone call.

They could have done many things, but have not. The mud slinging has been restricted to policy, votes in the Senate, associations with Bush. No one at the Obama rallies have been calling for McCain's blood, calling him a fascist, calling him a war monger.

McCain has also been noticeably silent on the assassination attempt on Obama...very poor. (I have not been able to find anything where he responded.)

Most of the people I have run into who claim to be "Christian" behave in a most un-Christian manner.

If you have to tell people over and over that you are a Christian...are you really? Or have you just joined a mega-club where you can fell good about judging and condemning other people, sticking your nose into people's homes and consciences, forcing your beliefs on others...all in the name of "your faith".

No good has ever come of religious fanaticism and politics - being Christian Fundamentalism, Islamic Fundamentalism....or the Puritan settlement in Salem, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades in the Middle East, the Albigensian Crusade in France, the Thirty years War, Oliver Cromwell in England, the Hindu/Muslim conflicts in India/Pakistan, the Israelis and Palestinians.....the list goes on. As soon as Person A believes they have the right to dictate belief to Person B, there is a problem...and, contrary to what the "Christian" Right claims...America is a nation for all faiths...or for people who choose to have none. The phrase is "In God We trust"...not "In Christ we trust"...nor is it "One Nation, under Christ" (and this phrase was added by Eisenhower in the 1950's as a response to the Red Scare. It is a supreme arrogance to claim the references to God are exclusively for Christians.

I wonder what Palin would look like in a burkha? At least it would hide her bangs.....

Originally Posted by Philadelph

I like how no one has responded to Hutch's post above. Not exactly. This should be addressed though. In a few posts here, including the original thread starter, Obama's Muslim past (whatever that really consists of) has been brought up. SO WHAT? Just what we need- more bigoted American slander on a religion outside of Christianity. What do you care AT ALL what Obama's religion is??? You have the other end of the spectrum- Christian fundamentalists in the White House proclaiming their own holy callings and means for war and even more crawling up the political ladder. I don't hear the conservatives complaining there. Is your "god" better than a Muslim's? It should absolutely NO bearing on who should be President of the United States. We aren't electing your church's priest, bishop, or pope. It is a GOVERNMENTAL position, not a RELIGIOUS one. At least it should NOT be. I think we have heard little response to the above post because of what it might expose in terms of personal views. Sadly.

Alex, you make some very good points here. It is unfortunate that we as a people have not risen above these prejudices
This you tube video from a McCain rally of a Rev. Conrad leading the crowd in prayer before McCain's speech just floored me

YouTube - McCain's Shame: Rev. Arnold Conrad (news version)