Thread: OBAMA'S "NOT EXACTLY'S"

Originally Posted by JMS

The guy was seriously asking for help and all you guys are giving him is more of the same!

Maybe he is still hoping for some change

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

I wish you had time to read one of Obama's books. They explain a lot about who he is, how he processes information, and where he stands on various things. He's far more conservative than the mainstream media make him out to be. He has long had very little patience for the partisan posturing that has characterized Washington since Reagan.

The books aren't so much autobiographies as they are statements of philosophy and principle, explained in terms of Obama's personal experience.

Having read the books, I have really not understood what McCain means when he says that we don't know the "real Obama." Barak's thoughts are far better documented than anyone else in politics for many, many years.

I like him for his intellectual curiosity and active mind. He listens to all sides of an issue, which is why he has acquaintances in all sorts of walks of life, from Palestinian professors to fire-breathing, fundamentalist preachers. But he makes up his own mind.

Good luck. You have a couple days yet.

j

Originally Posted by Earthdawn

Exactly.... it was an email I got.... and was not an attack on Obama from me ... cause I dont know who to vote for now ....

My point was more that they have dug up all this "stuff" on Obama and not much on McCain ... so it seems...

I listened to, by downloading them from iTunes, the debates... all 3 and have listened to them several times and while I have to admit I was McCain McCain McCain ... I really wasent sure after hearing him speak.

FORGET all the crap said by either side... my gut feeling was that Obama just did not have the experience yet to handle some of the international issues. I could not picture him sitting with other world leaders and having the real life political experience to hold his own and represent the US.

Thats just how i felt.....

Listening to the debates a few times has me wonder if McCain could stay on topic long enough to make sence and solution to the issues brought up. It bothered me that in the last debate he seemed to rush an answer to a question so he could bash Obama. While it may be the tactic his campain wanted him to take at the time since we are very CLOSE and it was his last public appearence to do so ... I was getting ****ed that he was not giving solid answers and that he was not telling us what it was he was realy striving to do and how he would do it. Like when you hear kids "debate" about something and when one of them realizes he has lost he just turns around with "well your a dick with no friends!" ... LOL ... I felt like thats what McCain was doing to Obama....

None of the debates gave me the feeling that they really got into the issues that they are going to tackle the moment they get in office ... So they have long term plans and thats fine but where were the timelines and the immidiate things they were going to do when they got in office. Niether would commit to anything !!!

So it leaves me very unhappy seeing those kinds of answers and results from there debates... they were dull and uninteresting and shed no light on they were PERSONALLY going to do ASAP to make a change from where we are now....

who do I vote for... I have no idea ! .... and i have never not known who i was going to vote for 4 days before the election !

I got an email saying that If I send my bank info to a guy in Africa I can get a million dollars. I don't put much credibility in things I get in unsolicited email.

One glaring problem, the Republican's are going after the fact that he sat in church listening to sermons from Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, then they want to call him a Muslim, which one is it, it can't be both.

On the experience front, McCain is 72 there is a very good chance that he might not complete his term, can you see Palin sitting at the table handling international issues? That is really the only thing that scares the crap out of me, because she is the most unqualified person to ever be on the ticket as a VP nominee.

Originally Posted by Hutch

I got an email saying that If I send my bank info to a guy in Africa I can get a million dollars. I don't put much credibility in things I get in unsolicited email.

One glaring problem, the Republican's are going after the fact that he sat in church listening to sermons from Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, then they want to call him a Muslim, which one is it, it can't be both.

I've not heard any politician call Obama a muslim. It is fact though that he was raised as such. Whether he stuck to those beliefs, only he can say for sure, But I can say with a certainty, based on Wrights sermons that neither of them are truly Christian!

The politicians do not say it out right, they do it by innuendo, and allow their surrogates to make the insinuations.

Having no use for organized religion, I'm not going to judge whether someone's brand of supernatural religious dogma is more valid than someone else's brand of supernatural religious dogma (aka Palin getting exorcised, them speaking in tongues and preaching that the end of the world is coming and Alaska will be the chosen land where they will survive the end of times).

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee


I live in Western M assachusetts or is that Taxachusetts. I have all Canadian heritage from my grandparents so you never know. North of the border looks better and better.

If you go now you get almost 20% on your investment, that's a good deal. and the winters in Canada are no worse than Mass.

Originally Posted by JMS

But I can say with a certainty, based on Wrights sermons that neither of them are truly Christian!

GOOD! Last thing we need is another Christian fundamentalist running the country. Speaking of... What's the difference between Palin and Muslim fundamentalists? Lipstick | Salon

P.S. My comment isn't meant to insult anyone- but we seriously need less religious influence in office.

Originally Posted by Philadelph

GOOD! Last thing we need is another Christian fundamentalist running the country. Speaking of... What's the difference between Palin and Muslim fundamentalists? Lipstick | Salon

P.S. My comment isn't meant to insult anyone- but we seriously need less religious influence in office.

An excellent article...I've always wondered at the "selective" interpretation of the Bible by those espousing to force their religious views on others via politics, thereby trashing the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment...but then we know Palin is an expert on the Constitution.

That whirring sound you here is the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves........