Thread: Politics and Religion

As long as everybody sees things my way, we will get along just fine!

Originally Posted by Chimensch

Europe is no different than the US ... you can discuss politics and religion only if you avoid certain opinions and topics. For example, in Europe it is a crime to state certain facts, even if they can be proved to be true, because they are defined as hate crimes.

Really? Which "facts" are you referring to?

Primarily denying the holocaust being a fact but you also get into muddy waters when you say something against immigrants.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

If you like condescending arrogance, talk to a politician. I used to call and write and all I ever got in return was a bunch of condescending crap.

On the other hand, I have to say that I have had very good luck in contacting one of my respresentatives (oddly enough, not of my own pary) when dealing with the outragously slow response from a federal agency. I contacted his office on a matter that should have been expedited immediately, his staff contacted the agency and I got results in a much shorter time than I think I would have otherwise. Sometimes, it works.

Originally Posted by 0livia

Primarily denying the holocaust being a fact but you also get into muddy waters when you say something against immigrants.

Chimensch said it was a crime to state certain facts.

Denying the Holocaust isn't exactly stating a fact, it's more like lying. In fact, it is lying. I have known a few survivors and former American solders who were witnesses to it. I could see that lying might be considered a punishable offense in some places, especially if it was being used to justify a racist agenda on the part of the liar.

I'm hoping that Chimensch could be a mensch tell me which fact he could be punished for stating. I'm very curious about this clear travisty of justice.

Yes I'm curious as well.
I would guess that it concerns the latter though.
For example you can't say that the crime rate in Germany among young Turks is higher than among Italians, Germans or any other nationality because you're not allowed to connect the nationality with the crime rate.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Really? Which "facts" are you referring to?

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Chimensch said it was a crime to state certain facts.

Denying the Holocaust isn't exactly stating a fact, it's more like lying. In fact, it is lying. I have known a few survivors and former American solders who were witnesses to it. I could see that lying might be considered a punishable offense in some places, especially if it was being used to justify a racist agenda on the part of the liar.

I'm hoping that Chimensch could be a mensch tell me which fact he could be punished for stating. I'm very curious about this clear travisty of justice.

My original post was in response to LX Emergency, to bring him back to reality by reminding him that Europe is not all that superior in having taboos against talking about politics/religion. I alluded to certain topics without naming them because everyone knows what they are. You understood what I meant and your blood began to boil, which is why these subjects are taboo in the first place.

In all honesty, and I mean no disrespect to you, but your two posts are a good example of why talking about these subjects is taboo. You've heard certain things and you sincerely believe them to be true. You will become extremely irate with anyone that even brings them up, let alone contradicts what you know to be true.

In fact, it is very revealing that you didn't even wait to hear what I might have to say before you started talking about people "lying".

I'm not afraid to say what I think but you've already demonstrated that you can't be civil, so let's just all do ourselves a favor and admit that politics and religion ought to be taboo.

On the other hand, if you are sincerely interested, you can PM me and I will respond.

Shows how wrong I can be .......

OK, INTEGRITY IS:
forgetting real quick and answering topic related posts anyway.

What would be the punishment for such crimes? And since you mentioned that "in Europe" these things are true, is it some EU international law? Or does each country enforce them separately? I'm intrigued (and not irate one bit).

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Politics and religion are (as far as I know) only taboo in the states. Over here people have no problem discussing politics or religion in public at all.

Just a culture thing I guess.

In Latin America those topics certainly are taboo among the casually acquainted so, not solely the USA, but perhaps the larger "Americas".

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