Thread: Rep. Joe Wilson apologized.

How dare Joe Wilson blurt out the truth, especially while the President is lying. What nerve.

BTW, did Obama publicly apologize to Sergeant James Crowley for calling him "stupid" during a nationally broadcast press conference?

Maybe Joe Wilson should have just taken the Prez out for a beer.

Joe THE Wilson should have apologized for what he did.

But more importantly he was also wrong. The president clearly stated that illegal immigrants would not be covered in his Bill. Additionally the house bill clearly has a section called (to paraphrase) "Undocumented aliens will not be given any coverage" in capitalized letters.

Joe the Wilson !!! just what we need after Joe the Plumber - another retard to represent the people

It is rather unfortunate that the conservative party has become a caricature of it self since the Goldwater days. They should really listen to George Will rather than to Rush Bimbo Hannity Insanity.

Rather than debate costs and benefits and the real issues, we have people screaming and shouting like teenagers with too many hormones to spare - screaming things like "Death Panels" "Socialist" "Nazi" "Grandma Killers" "You Lie" "Drill Baby Drill" - can move to a little more intelligent debate please.

Originally Posted by honedright

How dare Joe Wilson blurt out the truth, especially while the President is lying. What nerve.

The bill specifically states that illegal immigrants will not be covered.
What part of that was a lie?

Originally Posted by Bruno

The bill specifically states that illegal immigrants will not be covered.
What part of that was a lie?

Bruno it is in the wording...
"They will not participate" I know this looks cut and dried to you on paper, but it really isn't, just like "Death Panels" will not be in the wording but they are there we all know better...

Certain things that we all know better about and any Dem that argues here honestly you are fooling yourself, look deep and you know better...

That Illegal Aliens will not benefit from this program - "We Know Better"

That cutting 500 million from Medicare/caid will somehow not cut benefits from Grandma & Grandpa and in effect cause "death panels" ie: you get this care / sorry you don't "We Know Better"

That this somehow will not effect the private insurance holder and that if you want you can keep the insurance you have "We Know Better"

That somehow this is not going to raise my personal taxes "I KNOW BETTER"

Now you all can show all this BS links to the contrary you want but really deep down "YOU KNOW BETTER"

And honestly if you don't know better than you deserve to reap what you sow and you are most likely on the receiving end of this and not on the paying end...

So in the end my message is the same:

Dear Mr Liberal:
Sorry pal but "We the American TAX PAYER, We Know Better"

Oh yeah to stay on Mark's topic yes he should apologize rude is rude even when it comes from the heart, even when other's have done worse, and disrespected the office even more... rude is rude...

Originally Posted by honedright

How dare Joe Wilson blurt out the truth, especially while the President is lying. What nerve.

Being right is not an excuse from manners. Most of us learned this as children. Whether I agree with you on this point or not, you will note, I am not being rude. It makes for a well ordered internet forum, a well ordered legislative body (oh my dear God, did I just call Congress "well ordered....I digress), and it makes for a well ordered society.

BTW, did Obama publicly apologize to Sergeant James Crowley for calling him "stupid" during a nationally broadcast press conference?

Maybe Joe Wilson should have just taken the Prez out for a beer.

Acting "stupidly" and being stupid are two very, very different things, and I imagine you know that.

How is it any different than what we have today?

If an illegal immigrant goes to the emergency room, they get treated now. If you need a surgical procedure when you're 95 years old, the insurance company will determine whether or not it will be covered.

If you really think that there's a death panel waiting to determine your fate (which is complete nonsense), then keep your private "our interest is really your health, not our profits" insurance company. Don't mistake the addition of an affordable public option with governmental takeover of the entire health insurance industry.

This is how capitalism works. In 2008, FedEx's revenue was about $38B and UPS' was about $51.5B. We should get rid of the USPS because they're making it hard for the private competition.

Originally Posted by Amyn

It is rather unfortunate that the conservative party has become a caricature of it self since the Goldwater days. They should really listen to George Will rather than to Rush Bimbo Hannity Insanity.

Rather than debate costs and benefits and the real issues, we have people screaming and shouting like teenagers with too many hormones to spare - screaming things like "Death Panels" "Socialist" "Nazi" "Grandma Killers" "You Lie" "Drill Baby Drill" - can move to a little more intelligent debate please.

Right on ! The Lee Atwater/Karl Rove strategy of setting up straw man hot button issues to avoid debating the issues. The pity is that the republicans are hoping to position themselves for the 2010 elections and cripple the Obama presidency rather than have a serious go at fixing the health care system. Politics as usual and if some of the American people do not have health care let them eat cake.

Joe who ? Before he disgraced himself and his state by disrespecting the office of the President who outside of a limited area in SC ever heard of him ? Now to the same people who believe that B/S about death panels and coverage for illegals he is a hero. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. Don't bother them with the facts, ideology trumps facts every time for some people.

It was out of line, so he shouldn't have done it and was right to apologize.

It's not however that important so the news should be paying more attention to things like why Obama isn't taking the lead on HC and what the specific ways are that both sides plan to cut waste.

Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

I voted yes, he should apologize, and I've got several thoughts on the issue.

First of all, in the name of fairness let me say that I voted for Bush twice and I did NOT vote for Obama. Also, I'm 100% against this health care reform, and I'll even admit that my reasons are 100% selfish. I have really great health coverage paid for 100% by my employer, and I don't want to risk messing that up. Yeah, that's selfish and short-sighted, but it's honest.

Now, My first thought is that it is pointless to compare this to democrats booing Bush, because it was a separate event. It's the old "2 wrongs don't make a right."

As for why this particular action deserves and apology, there's a couple of reasons.

1. It was HIGHLY unprofessional. This was not a debate. It was a Presidential address. If this was a debate, or if Wilson wanted to hold his own press conference and come right out and call Obama a liar in that forum, I'd be fine with it. But not like this. Whether you like it or not, and whether he's a liar or not, the President is due a certain level of decorum, if not respect. This kind of behavior is an embarrassment to politicians everywhere, and that's pretty hard to do. It's like embarrassing a nudist.

2. It's counter productive to the anti healthcare reform movement. This is the same as the idiots shouting and brawling at town hall meetings and making up idiotic stories about "death panels." It adds nothing to the debate, and may even turn people away who were on the fence and might have been convinced by well reasoned debate. There are lot's of good arguments against this health care reform besides my own selfishness, but these sorts of antics distract from those arguments instead of reinforcing them.

I agree with VeeDub's first point and that's why I voted "Yes", he should apologize. IF Obama's statement is in fact, false, then as VeeDub stated, the rep in my opinion, has every right to say publicly at some latter point in time that Obama lied. Again IF the statement was proven false, then in no way shape or form would I think that the rep would/should apologize.

Chris L

This is really a sad state of affairs


Wilson raises more than $200,000 after outburst - CNN.com

So there you go the state of politics we have today. Just does not surprise me any more