Thread: GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE TRUE/FALSE

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

It surely didn't jive with any claims of warming, melting glaciers and rising sea levels.

Why not?
I have a fridge full of food right now, should I assume nobody is starving, or that my fridge will be just as full 37 days from now?

for some reason i am unable to post links at this time but here a few sites with info from science authors and writers against global warming:
1. catoinstitute.com search global warming
2. canadafreepress.com search global warming
3. wonderfulpessimist.com here are further links to a book by DR. FRED SINGER and DENNIS T. AVERY book title 'UNSTOPABLE GLOBAL WARMING:every 1500 years
4. erasmatazz.com/library/politic/globalwarming
5. also i would also point you to a book by IAN PLIMER "HEAVEN AND EARTH"
6. capmag.com/article.asp?id=50 this is about 15,000 scientists speak out against the kyoto agreement and media hype about global warming

seems to me there is plenty of science against the whole subject.
one other thing is, that one of the main objectives here was to see if we should be rushing headlong into all these cuts in so called green house gasses and possible drastic cutbacks in manufacturing and use of automobiles for something that has yet to be proven without a doubt we are doing or if it is natural occurrence.
are we as a whole ready to cutback on everything and possibly lose untold numbers of jobs and industry?

Originally Posted by gugi

Why not?
I have a fridge full of food right now, should I assume nobody is starving, or that my fridge will be just as full 37 days from now?

Record low temps are supposed to be a sign of 'warming' ?

Huh, must be some new 'science', I'd like to see this science.

If it wasn't for oppressive crooked governments around the world, people wouldn't be starving.

Ever heard of Dalton minimum? Dalton Minimum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NASA now saying that a Dalton Minimum repeat is possible « Watts Up With That?

Are we going to observe global warming or cooling in the next couple of decades?

It is always a sad day when science becomes the tool of political agendas. Who can argue that earth is our home and we all need to take care of it so our children will have something? The whole argument on whether global warming is anthropgenic or natural is one that needs to be discussed and unfortunatly has been diluted by pop culture and shallow political agendas.
Can CO2 warm the planet? Is it more of a factor in why the earth has been warming since the last mini ice age than natural causes? Personaly I doubt it can, and if it could than we could avoid the next ice age mini or maxi by all of us driving around in gigantic SUVs and other gas guzzlers. I don't believe it is that simple, but that is what happens when science gets dummied down.
So let us get science out of the hands of politicians and pop stars and focus on the big picture of taking care of the earth for our children regardless of the global warming arguments. If done correctly, it should in theory save money not cost money as many would have us believe. We need to demand honesty from policy makers and stop taking sides. There is only one side, the state of our planet and our responsibilty as stewards to keep it healthy and clean. Too bad common sense does not prevail over the mountains of menutia that come at us by charletans with agendas. Not much new under the ever changing dinamic star we call the sun.
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Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Huh, must be some new 'science', I'd like to see this science.

This is real new, last month. And its not some internet book, some political blog, or someone's website, its a peer reviewed study in Nature.

Lasers From Space Show Thinning Of Greenland And Antarctic Ice Sheets

Access : Extensive dynamic thinning on the margins of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets : Nature

on youtube there is a video dated sunday 3/15/09 where al gore says polar ice caps will be gone in 5 years.....please!!!!!!!!!
this man can not be credible on anything... he is a terrible spokesman for any group.. thank GOD he is on the global warming activist side...he does more damage than good

Originally Posted by honedright

We're the problem? A cancer of the planet? In other words we should exterminate ourselves?? That's just crazy talk. Why do you hate yourself so much?

I do not hate myself or humanity.I just do not entertain the fantasy that we can do anything about it without a change to the dominant lifeforms consuming everything around.To quote agent Smith again"Every mammal has a natural equilibrium with it's environment.Human beings do not you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to a new area. There is another organism that follows the same pattern do you know what it is? A virus.".I know this is a line from a movie but history of mankind backs it up.

Originally Posted by RazorPete

This is real new, last month. And its not some internet book, some political blog, or someone's website, its a peer reviewed study in Nature.

Lasers From Space Show Thinning Of Greenland And Antarctic Ice Sheets

Access : Extensive dynamic thinning on the margins of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets : Nature

Ya, they are never bias and never 'spin' data. Come on borthuhz! It is a con, perpetrated to get money (and I mean train loads of it) and inherently control over people to perpetuate the flow of the money. To the ones running the scam it is like a 'Weenie Roast' and WE (yes all of us, which includes all of us) are the 'Weenies' my borthuhz. And, as time goes on, what will be and what should be infuriating is that this money stealing scam will continue to be perpetrated on our children and grand-children if it is not exposed and stopped.


Surely you didn't miss the news earlier this year about over 700 International scientists signing on in dissent against the global warming scare. There were only 52 scientist that wrote up the U.N.s IPCC report which is called by many other scientist 'alarmist propaganda'. The dissenters out number them 13 to 1.
Oh ya, here's a link about it on a U.S. government website - .: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.




A wise professor said "Beware of the sound of one hand clapping."

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Record low temps are supposed to be a sign of 'warming' ?

sure, why not? please, explain why is this troubling you?
have you read any of the papers that Pete referenced?

Originally Posted by sparq

Are we going to observe global warming or cooling in the next couple of decades?

Could it be both?

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Ya, they are never bias and never 'spin' data.

I think as a published scientist Pete does have pretty good idea about bias and spin. Your arguments so far seem rather weak though:
- You discount this particular research based on alleged conflict of interest, however you fail to provide any sort of backup. You can discount absolutely anything with exactly the same argument, which makes your argument worthless.
- You are putting two arbitrary numbers against each other and attempting to derive something out of it. Comparison between numbers is only meaningful when they properly reflect the things that are being compared. For example there are almost twice as many sheep in New Zealand than there are people in Texas, so can you tell me whether the temperature in Texas is higher than that of New Zealand, or lower?