Thread: CONSERVATIVE/MODERATE/LIBERAL

Originally Posted by Sailor

i think there is no reason to a accept/discard any idea just because it comes from some party. If it works it is ok.

I tend to agree. I have agreed and disagreed with a lot of folk on here, but I couldn't tell you who and about what.

I am quite comfortable taking each idea on it's own merit, and I admire or disregard people principally on how they treat every one else, and not on how they believe this is best executed.

Originally Posted by MichaelP

Old style conservative:
Deficit spending: no, except if you have a real plan to plug the hole you're digging... sorry, but "the next generation will pay it off" isn't a real plan.
Abortion: not my womb, not my business and even less the government's business... Keep your religion out of my laws.
Marriage: two men getting married doesn't devalue my marriage, none of the government's business anyways. See previous point about religion in law.
Homosexuality: I have absolutely no issues whatsoever with two dudes making out, their life, their choices. See previous point about religion in law.
Taxes: I actually don't have any issues with the amount of taxes I am paying, as I am getting top notch service out of it. Note that I am not paying my income taxes in Germany as I only reside there, I work and pay income taxes in a neighboring state.
Defense spending: overrated right now as warfare moved from frontal confrontation to asymmetrical warfare.

Now that's interesting.

To me, that seems pretty liberal?

Originally Posted by gregs656

Now that's interesting.

To me, that seems pretty liberal?

Actually, that is what the Conservative movement stood for until they started courting the religious crowd. Funny how things can change over short amounts of time, isn't it?

Originally Posted by MichaelP

Actually, that is what the Conservative movement stood for until they started courting the religious crowd. Funny how things can change over short amounts of time, isn't it?

Yes it is. I have read that the conservative movement if you like was poisoned to some degree or another when communism was considered a 'common enemy' and their policies changed to reflect this.

I don't think I have attained a political identity yet. I'm not completely sure I want to.

Stimpy is a conservative I wonder if Ren is also.
Enquiring minds want to know Stimpy

Originally Posted by JMS

It reads like you put others in boxes.

You'd have to explain that one, I didn't indicate I put anyone in any box.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

You'd have to explain that one, I didn't indicate I put anyone in any box.

You didn't say it in a specific manner but what you said clearly indicated "boxes"
This is what you wrote:

"In some instances I am "conservative" - though I don't believe in the whole bible thumping aspect of conservativism. In some instances I am "liberal" - not to the extent I believe in wealth re-distribution."

To my mind this clearly indicates that Conservatives have a clearly defined belief system and Liberals have a clearly defined belief system thus fitting us "neatly into boxes"

Originally Posted by JMS

You didn't say it in a specific manner but what you said clearly indicated "boxes"
This is what you wrote:

To my mind this clearly indicates that Conservatives have a clearly defined belief system and Liberals have a clearly defined belief system thus fitting us "neatly into boxes"

Ahhh, they do That's what makes them different - the core values.

Unfortunately, the parting line between the two has been blurred to the point where it no longer exists. I describe myself as a conservative, both fiscally and socially, but will never again associate myself with the GOP or the so-called "Republicans". Both Republicans and Democrats (politicians) have completely abandoned their values; no wonder so many are turning libertarian. Hell, I guess I fall under libertarian, too. One of the biggest problems in our "democracy" is the two party system. It has failed before, it's failing now and it'll continue to fail in the future.

There's not a single person I can think of; Senator, Congressman/woman, Governor, etc., that I'd willingly vote for to run this nation. It's bad when you'll vote for just about anyone new just to kick out the other screw-up out.

I went for moderate, I guess because I tend to take a common sense approach to things.

Immigration is fine, as long as we're not taking a load of criminals who just want to sponge on benefits. We want doctors, nurses, lawyers and accountants please, not criminals.

Prison is a punishment, not a holiday camp. So get rid of the TV's, the games consoles and pool tables and make it a punishment. It should be so horrible no one ever wants to go back.

Some crimes DO warrant the Death Penalty. Murderers, child molesters and paedophiles should be executed if proven guilty. The trash who shoot someone for looking at them funny should be hanged. There is no such thing as "honour killing" just because you percieve someone has dis-respected you.

Crime and punishment isnt hard. You just make the penalties severe enough that most people are dissuaded from carrying out the crime.

I believe in the "Three Strikes" laws. If you are proven guilty of criminal activity three times you clearly are a habitual crook. So thats life without parole for you then!

Dont spend more than you earn in tax, and run a budget surplus so if you have to spend more you have the money there to do it!

Teachers should be able to discipline children, as should parents. Kids dont get given all the rights, and more, of an adult. They earn them through hard work and education. It worked on me and most of the people I know, so why doesnt it work on these sink estate kids?

Its not hard to get society functioning, but the problem is that the people who run it are too afraid of offending anyone so they never actually make a decision. The thing to do is make a decision that works and stick to it. If it doesnt work afterwards then re-evaluate.

All that happens if you stand still is it all goes wrong.