Thread: North Carolina Intollerant and Unconstitutional Action

Originally Posted by treydampier

A true Aethiest has no beliefs in anything!

No a true atheist has no belief in a god or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. Equally as ignorant as having a solid belief that their is a god, but it does not mean they are better or worse people.

I think it is about time we started to embrace the idea that morals and religion do not have to be mutually inclusive concepts.

We should probably start caring more about the merit of ones ideas, and not disregard or embrace them because of some prehistoric pigeon hole.

Originally Posted by gregs656

No a true atheist has no belief in a god or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. Equally as ignorant as having a solid belief that their is a god, but it does not mean they are better or worse people.

I think it is about time we started to embrace the idea that morals and religion do not have to be mutually inclusive concepts.

We should probably start caring more about the merit of ones ideas, and not disregard or embrace them because of some prehistoric pigeon hole.

I am sorry, I meant no offense by it. Thanks for calling my beliefs in God a "prehistoric pigeon hole". By the way, you should never say God save the Queen, nor should the Queen ever be declared "Defender of the Faith" since there is no faith anymore and you don't believe in God.

Breath guys, breath. Its going to be fine. No one is going to let God get in the way.

this may be off topic. i would like to know where an atheist gets his or her moral compass from, since they do not believe in god or gods, therefore should not believe in anything about morality in the kuran, torah, bible or any other religious documents.
also, how would an atheist enforce and uphold any laws of the state or federal gov't if it was based on above mentioned books of religion? because he could not believe in the basis of the law, since it was for or by a god or his prophets..

Originally Posted by 59caddy

this may be off topic. i would like to know where an atheist gets his or her moral compass from, since they do not believe in god or gods, therefore should not believe in anything about morality in the kuran, torah, bible or any other religious documents.
also, how would an atheist enforce and uphold any laws of the state or federal gov't if it was based on above mentioned books of religion? because he could not believe in the basis of the law, since it was for or by a god or his prophets..

Your question presumes that morals are derived exclusively from religion. Does a person need the bible to know that raping children is morally wrong? The idea is repugnant to everyone who is of sound mind. However, the bible does not dictate that that particular act is wrong, especially since this was a common practice when the bible was written, and was not especially frowned upon.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

this may be off topic. i would like to know where an atheist gets his or her moral compass from, since they do not believe in god or gods, therefore should not believe in anything about morality in the kuran, torah, bible or any other religious documents.
also, how would an atheist enforce and uphold any laws of the state or federal gov't if it was based on above mentioned books of religion? because he could not believe in the basis of the law, since it was for or by a god or his prophets..

Well this is the thing isn't it.

Do you really believe it would be acceptable to kill and thieve etc etc if it were not for religion?

If we assume, for a second, that religion is basically an elaborate story designed to control the people, then these ideas, morals, were brought about by man and religion was simple the vehicle in which they were delivered.

Indeed, our law is based on christian ideals, but Christianity WAS the law. That was the whole reason the concept was brought about, to provide control, if you happen to believe that.

Originally Posted by Ryan82

Your question presumes that morals are derived exclusively from religion. Does a person need the bible to know that raping children is morally wrong? The idea is repugnant to everyone who is of sound mind. However, the bible does not dictate that that particular act is wrong, especially since this was a common practice when the bible was written, and was not especially frowned upon.

that is a good answer. but in the same realm of things, would not NAMBLA be disgusting to most as is beastuality(spelling?) ? some of these people think they have a moral right to do what they think..

Originally Posted by treydampier

A true Aethiest has no beliefs in anything, and are much are like mercenaries were described by Machiavelli, they will not be steadfast in anything.

You are absolutely incorrect, sir.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Well this is the thing isn't it.

Do you really believe it would be acceptable to kill and thieve etc etc if it were not for religion?

If we assume, for a second, that religion is basically an elaborate story designed to control the people, then these ideas, morals, were brought about by man and religion was simple the vehicle in which they were delivered.

Indeed, our law is based on christian ideals, but Christianity WAS the law. That was the whole reason the concept was brought about, to provide control, if you happen to believe that.

you are quite right if you assume that there was not a god of any kind and that christ did not exist. then without the "story" of christ and thus the commandments being reinforced, we would have total chaos with no moral guidance and complete decadence worldwide..

Originally Posted by 59caddy

then without the "story" of christ and thus the commandments being reinforced, we would have total chaos with no moral guidance and complete decadence worldwide..

You can't possibly know that, because you have not lived in a time with out the story of christ.

Indeed, there are enough places around the world that did not hear that story, and invented their own mythical ideas in order to control their people. They did not descend into chaos.

The point is, where ever you look, people have some moral compass. It might not always be directly inline with yours, but they have one.

Christianity did not bring morals. It brought a way for those in charge to punish people who broke the rules, fear is easily the best deterrent.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

this may be off topic. i would like to know where an atheist gets his or her moral compass from, since they do not believe in god or gods, therefore should not believe in anything about morality in the kuran, torah, bible or any other religious documents.

The "morality" in those texts is questionable at best. Modern believers reject much of what is now considered abhorrent because society now rejects those notions. Atheists get their moral compass from the same place that all people do, society at large. What is acceptable to all is what is acceptable to atheists. Anybody who tells you that they have a monopoly on morality is selling you a bill of goods.