Thread: North Carolina Intollerant and Unconstitutional Action

It is interesting that the character in Shakespeare's Henry VI didn't say kill any of the doctors ... but all of the lawyers.

Did I just thank BillyJeff? Christ Almighty, the worlds coming to an end! But that's for another thread.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Did I just thank BillyJeff? Christ Almighty, the worlds coming to an end! But that's for another thread.

Don't feel bad Kelley, As old Billy boy is growing on me also.

Originally Posted by JMS

Don't feel bad Kelley, As old Billy boy is growing on me also.

Well Mark, if you ever need a lawyer you'll know who to call. Billyjeff won't give up a case easily that is for sure.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Did I just thank BillyJeff? Christ Almighty, the worlds coming to an end! But that's for another thread.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

that is exactly what i mean.. ours is the only nation with the same constitution for over 200 years..we have never failed...look at how many other countries have risen and fallen and new founding documents written time and time again, while ours stand fast and steady. with that being said i feel we are on the brink of moral collapse and the fall of the United States as we know it, i know that will make a lot of people happy, to see us fail...

What do you mean never failed?
The US has failed often enough. The extremist regime in Iran was put in place by the US, as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. If that is not failure, then what is?

Btw, how does the killing of thousands in the coups I mention fit with the Christian values you mentioned?

And your consitution may not have changed, but is has been amended often enough, and the supreme court has had to step in many times in order to change things. And how about segregation ? How does that fit with your Christian values?

Originally Posted by 59caddy

no, i did not say they had no moral compass. i asked where it came from, that was not supposed to be my intent. sorry if it was taken that way. i have had talks with atheists and found it to say the least very interesting. most atheists and agnostic people have little to say to the question i pose to them all. i always ask them if i am right about there being a god and they are wrong what then? also most of the ones i talked to agreed that a lot of what is thought of as being "moral" came from some kind of "god" or "deity" and his or her teachings.(another interesting point)

I derive my morals from the simple principle that I treat others as I want to be treated myself. It's amazing how far that one principle will get you.

Would I want people to beat me, kill me, rob me, sell me, discriminate against me, etc?
No. So likewise, I don't do those things to other people. And I didn't need any deity to come to those beliefs. It is perfectly possible to live life by a strong moral compass without ever needing to resort to a deity.

I don't know if there is a God / Goddess / Pantheon or not, Or if they even care about us. I choose to believe there is. The hindus have an interesting concept, where multitheism and monotheism are the same thing, because all Gods are an aspect of the one God, so worshipping one is worshipping the other. It's like having 1 government, with many singular departments (IRS, FBI, ...). If you have a tax problem, you don't go writing the president or the FBI. (sorry for the offtopic)

In any case, if there is a judgemental God who evaluates us post mortem, then I believe he will judge me by my actions and the decisions I made in my life, and not by the technicalities of how often I attended mass or whether I did fast or not. I choose to believe that God -if he exists and cares- will have more understanding for people who tried to live their life properly than for the bigot who observed all the technicalities without caring about the moral content of whatever 'holy' writings he chose to follow.

Originally Posted by treydampier

Actually, not really. Before the commandments, the law was determined by the leaders and to the leaders tastes. Before the commandments, the law was not particularly well defined to my understanding.
I am probably wrong in this thoguh in all seriousness, but feel free if you can correct me using true, historical fact.
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Ever heard of Hamurabi's laws?
It is true that laws were determined to some extent by leaders, yet leaders must also always base their power on custom. These traditional customs are part of an unwritten law that is perhaps regional but, contrary to what people think, well defined. In the west there is a notion that everything unwritten has a lesser value, are vague etc. there is a notion that you need a book to follow when it comes to religion for example. But let me ask you: how vague isn't the Bible or the Koran? They are hardly well defined, and compared to the laws of today they are like oracle answers, but even compared to medieval laws they are vague (I have personally studied the Swedish province laws, the country laws and the city law).

Originally Posted by Rawaz

Ever heard of Hamurabi's laws?
It is true that laws were determined to some extent by leaders, yet leaders must also always base their power on custom. These traditional customs are part of an unwritten law that is perhaps regional but, contrary to what people think, well defined. In the west there is a notion that everything unwritten has a lesser value, are vague etc. there is a notion that you need a book to follow when it comes to religion for example. But let me ask you: how vague isn't the Bible or the Koran? They are hardly well defined, and compared to the laws of today they are like oracle answers, but even compared to medieval laws they are vague (I have personally studied the Swedish province laws, the country laws and the city law).

Yes, I actually have heard of them so you aren't the only one to take freshman history. The key is those laws were set down by a leader. Although not clear to many, the Ten Commandments are pretty straight forward in their meaning.
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Other than the original sin of Lucifer is there proof the 10 commandments even existed? Considering that so much of the Bible is extremely vague and has to be taken on faith - I'm more of a proof kind of person myself, is there anything other than Exodus 20:2-17 where one can find them? Stone tablets? Anything real? I ask only because I don't know.