Thread: North Carolina Intollerant and Unconstitutional Action

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Other than the original sin of Lucifer is there proof the 10 commandments even existed? Considering that so much of the Bible is extremely vague and has to be taken on faith - I'm more of a proof kind of person myself, is there anything other than Exodus 20:2-17 where one can find them? Stone tablets? Anything real? I ask only because I don't know.

No, There is not one single shred of evidence, let alone any proof. The bible is, cover to cover, hearsay and conjuncture. Now, I'm sure you already knew this, but it's okay, I liked answering that question.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

What do you mean never failed?
The US has failed often enough. The extremist regime in Iran was put in place by the US, as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. If that is not failure, then what is?

Let's not mention training and supporting taliban/mujahedin in their fight against evil russia.

Then again, it's politicians, a profession that does not rank too highly on my respectability list.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

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Because?......

Originally Posted by treydampier

Yes, I actually have heard of them so you aren't the only one to take freshman history. The key is those laws were set down by a leader. Although not clear to many, the Ten Commandments are pretty straight forward in their meaning.
Thanks

Ok, so who set down the ten commandments? No body knows, it may have been God, it may have been leaders (the more rational explanation). But still you make a distincion between for example Hammurabi's laws and the ten commandments, where only the latter is based on morals?!
Our modern laws are also set down by secular leaders and still contain morals..
Anyway I believe it is rather demeaning and unhistorical to say that before the ten commandments people had no morals, this would also mean that non-Jews, non-Christians, non-Muslims also have no morals.

Ps. When I wrote about vagueness I did not mean the commandments but rather the Bible and the Koran in general. And the ten commandments do certainly not contain all the moral values you, me or anyone else have.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Other than the original sin of Lucifer is there proof the 10 commandments even existed? Considering that so much of the Bible is extremely vague and has to be taken on faith - I'm more of a proof kind of person myself, is there anything other than Exodus 20:2-17 where one can find them? Stone tablets? Anything real? I ask only because I don't know.

They're in the Ark of the Covenant, last seen decimating Nazi's. There was a great documentary of it's discovery 'Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark

Originally Posted by gregs656

They're in the Ark of the Covenant, last seen decimating Nazi's. There was a great documentary of it's discovery 'Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark

According to Jewish tradition it was destroyed when the great temple was destroyed, but according to another tradition it is in Axum in Ethiopia, although no one except for some Ethiopian priests seems to have seen it.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Other than the original sin of Lucifer is there proof the 10 commandments even existed? Considering that so much of the Bible is extremely vague and has to be taken on faith - I'm more of a proof kind of person myself, is there anything other than Exodus 20:2-17 where one can find them? Stone tablets? Anything real? I ask only because I don't know.

oh come on guys....have not any of you seen the mel brooks movie?..there were 15 commandments to begin with...just an accident that 5 got broke..

Originally Posted by 59caddy

oh come on guys....have not any of you seen the mel brooks movie?..there were 15 commandments to begin with...just an accident that 5 got broke..

HAHAHAHAHAHA, thats awesome. I was waiting on someone to pull that one out

Originally Posted by treydampier

A true Aethiest has no beliefs in anything, and are much are like mercenaries were described by Machiavelli, they will not be steadfast in anything.

generalize much? i've been on this board a long time, and seen a fair bit of condescension, but i think your post might have set some sort of record.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

t i was asking in earnest where an atheist got their moral compass..

fair enough... an honest question, and i'll give you an honest answer. personally, whenever i am faced with a moral dilemma, i just ask myself "which choice will make the world a better place?" and then follow whichever course of action evaluates most favorably. it's as easy as that. you and i may have differing ideas about what constitutes "a better place" but that's just the human condition.

Before the hebrews came the zoroastrians. before the zoroastrians came the chaldeans. before the chaldeans came the sumerians. all of these societies had written laws based on not just their religious beliefs, but also with a view of maintaining societal cohesiveness, which was essential to survival. while you may or may not agree with some of their moral standards, they definitely had morals. when you realize that there is hard archealogical proof that folks were worshipping Enki and Inanna and Marduk a good five thousand years before the Hebrews began worshipping El/Yahweh/Jehovah you will realize that society managed to get along just fine without the judeo-christian-islamic deity and ideals for quite some time.