Thread: Christmas poll

In my opinion? Nope. No such thing's as jesus. A hijacked pagan fest perhaps. Kind of like how April 20 is now Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Day, but is also Adolf Hitler's Birthday. Assimilation is even better than outright banning or detruncation.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

very good point on the exact date of his birth. that has always been a question for debate as to the type of calendar that was in use at the time of his birth. some say it was set at this time of year to overshadow pagan holiday or tradition. i still believe he was born and existed here on earth.

Consider this small fact:

According to tradition Jesus Christ was born at a time that shepards were in the fields with their flocks (at night) right?

I'd like to see you go camping in the end of december in Israël.....(See here...and this is during the day in a city....can you imagine temperatures out in the country at night?)

I do not believe that the date of December 25th was meant to be set as the day He actually was born, but rather chosen to be the day that His birth is to be celebrated.

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

I'd like to see you go camping in the end of december in Israël.....(See here...and this is during the day in a city....can you imagine temperatures out in the country at night?)

And you have to factor in that those temperatures are high compared to what they were back then due to present global warming- er, climate change

Since I don't know Jesus' actual birthday, I celebrate it year round. Merry Christmas everyone! (hint: I like cookies!)

I like the way that man thinks. Oatmeal with nuts in em please and a few dark chocolate chunks as a pleasant surprise!


Debating the Bible's accuracy as a history book always seemed silly to me. Either it is an accurate and provable account of events and your faith is meaningless. Or it isn't and your faith has meaning. Seems that trying to convince others that everything in the bible can be proven is sort of shooting yourself in the foot.

I've read the bible... all of it. Albeit a long time ago. From the Christians I've met that's a pretty rare thing. It's got some pretty interesting parts. It's got some good life lessons. It's also got some morality lessons that show how far mankind has come (mostly relegated to the old testament to be fair). I think that if you want to believe anything further than that from it, it must be a personal thing. Trying to convince someone that an account of a virgin birth who raises the dead which wraps up in feminine whoredom enbodied sitting atop a beast of false religion and some other stuff that would appear to be a really bad trip on ergot is a factual and provable account of history seems like a losing cause to me.

Until the day this thread hit I would have voted that there was a historical Jesus just like Craig asked... His divinity was not part of the question, I always thought that his actually being a man, on the face of this planet, at that time, was historical fact...
So I have been stuck in Colorado for an extra few days for family reasons, and have had access to tons of info, as my Sister and Brother in law are ministers...
I have by no means read everything yet but I have read enough to now find, that actual historical proof is not quite as proved as I had believed it to be...
It seems like this issue just like every other thing having to do with religion takes a bit of faith... I really expected to find that they had been Roman record of a man named Jesus hung on the cross for sedition along with the names of the other two men hung next to him.. I also always believed that the historicity of Mary and Joseph was made fact by Roman census takers of the time...After much reading and surfing I now have found another can of worms that is mostly based on faith...

So this begs more questions??? Was there a Historical Mohammed?? Moses??? Abraham???

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Consider this small fact:

According to tradition Jesus Christ was born at a time that shepards were in the fields with their flocks (at night) right?

I'd like to see you go camping in the end of december in Israël.....(See here...and this is during the day in a city....can you imagine temperatures out in the country at night?)

Thats not very cold, I don't understand your point if any?

If it's 8-14 degrees centigrade in Jerusalem (i.e. the city) during the day, (admittedly that's not freezing or anything) then how cold do you think it'll be out in the fields once the sun is gone? You think they'd be camping with their sheep in midwinter?

What LX_ is pointing out about the weather, has been a pivit point of debate for many which has always lead to the "whether the actual celebration" of "Jesus" is accurate (ie. Christmas). for the shepherds to be out at night with thier herds etc....

DISCLAIMER: At any rate... very good read so far,as always topics like religion,politics.. are touchy so i do not mean to put question to anyones beliefs.

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

If it's 8-14 degrees centigrade in Jerusalem (i.e. the city) during the day, (admittedly that's not freezing or anything) then how cold do you think it'll be out in the fields once the sun is gone? You think they'd be camping with their sheep in midwinter?

You know some people go camping mid winter for fun. These people had animals to take care of - they had a job to do. And personally, I love being outside when it's below freezing.

Oh and let's not forget the global warming.... LOL!