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**marosell** · 12-20-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by paco

2 Again I say you need faith in the theory of eternal matter and energy.

And again I say I do not. It's a theory, it has evidence, and I accept that it is a possibility. I do not BELIEVE in it, have faith in it, or accept it as a fact.

The problem with your argument is that you accept your faith as a fact. That is the difference here. I did not say the existence of Jesus was not a possibility. But for me to accept it as a fact, I would need contemporaneous evidence.

Now, I have a strong feeling that anything else I have to say is going to start offending people. In foresight of that, and because I recognize that we are all friendly gentlemen on this board, I am going to be leaving this thread.

**ControlFreak1** · 12-20-2009, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by marosell

And again I say I do not. It's a theory, it has evidence, and I accept that it is a possibility. I do not BELIEVE in it, have faith in it, or accept it as a fact.

The problem with your argument is that you accept your faith as a fact. That is the difference here. I did not say the existence of Jesus was not a possibility. But for me to accept it as a fact, I would need contemporaneous evidence.

Now, I have a strong feeling that anything else I have to say is going to start offending people. In foresight of that, and because I recognize that we are all friendly gentlemen on this board, I am going to be leaving this thread.

So, do you believe that at some point that there was a state where there was no matter and no energy and that the entire universe came from such a state of nothingness?

That would be totally unscientific.

1Timothy 6:20 - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: - the Holy Bible

**paco** · 12-20-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by xman

You misunderstand me. I do not say, "Jesus never lived". I say there is insufficient evidence to convince me that there is any reason to believe he did except for the nagging nativity falsehood. When you can show me that miracles=magic=supernatural exists I will believe it. Until then I cannot, and must adopt the position (not a belief) that it doesn't, meaning we function as though it were fanciful fiction. When somebody tries to pass fictions off as fact we call them liars. If you can provide evidence that these things exist then I wil accept them. The burden of proof is on YOU to show that magic is real.

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Incorrect. Your position depends on faith while my position (not a belief) is supported by mountains of solid evidence.

Now please leave me alone.

I'm too busy to keep providing you with details which you refuse to either understand or accept.

Same back at ya. consider yourself left alone!

**paco** · 12-20-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by marosell

And again I say I do not. It's a theory, it has evidence, and I accept that it is a possibility. I do not BELIEVE in it, have faith in it, or accept it as a fact.

The problem with your argument is that you accept your faith as a fact. That is the difference here. I did not say the existence of Jesus was not a possibility. But for me to accept it as a fact, I would need contemporaneous evidence.

Now, I have a strong feeling that anything else I have to say is going to start offending people. In foresight of that, and because I recognize that we are all friendly gentlemen on this board, I am going to be leaving this thread.

I notice you only responded to the first section of the reply not the rest. courious isn't it? OH sorry you bowed out. Quess I will also bye guys and thanks for all being gentelmanlly>

**Philadelph** · 12-20-2009, 09:19 PM

Since it has gotten to the point of all the believers preaching their opinions, I would like to present:

YouTube - The delusion of Religions

**ControlFreak1** · 12-20-2009, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Philadelph

Since it has gotten to the point of all the believers preaching their opinions, I would like to present:

YouTube - The delusion of Religions

You can thank me later.

**Miner123** · 12-20-2009, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Philadelph

Since it has gotten to the point of all the believers preaching their opinions, I would like to present:

YouTube - The delusion of Religions

You can thank me later.

**joscobo** · 12-20-2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Miner123

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O.K. I watched the whole thing. The guy really didn't know anything about Christianity and it showed.

The idea that everything around us including the complexity of the human being forget that the complexity of a single cell, just popped out of a mud puddle struck by lightning eons ago is the real delusion.

But you think it makes more sense that some supreme being that has always existed spoke some words and those same cells just popped out of an idea in his head? THAT makes more sense to you? A being that doesn't stand up to any sort of scientific testing that produces completely inconsistent results even in his followers. THAT seems logical to you?

YouTube - Family Guy - How it all began

**marosell** · 12-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

What a fool, and a coward, a gutless maggot, and a liar no doubt.

I don't know what to say about his character, I've never met him, but a liar he is not.

The fool not only makes up or out of ignorance of the facts and truth tells lies based on partial facts that he spins to create the lies that fit his religion.

The poor fool is a victim of his own failed logic and stupidity and is delusional and in denial about it, quite the zealot he is though. Poor fools...

Funny, these descriptions fit Christians pretty well too. OH THE IRONY!

And notice that he is too much of a gutless coward to tell what he believes except in vague glancing comments.

I'm not exactly sure what's funnier, a man of faith making fun of another man's faith claiming that his beliefs are "false", or the fact that you really didn't understand the video or the man who made it. If you did, you'd understand that he is not a man of faith.

He doesn't say what be believes because he doesn't believe in anything. He's not a pagan. Everyone that doesn't believe what you believe (evil, hell-bound non-christians presumably) is a pagan? I hope there aren't any pagans on this board that you are offending. If you knew what a pagan* was, you'd know that a person who makes a video about religious delusion would not be a pagan.

It's important to note that the author of the video doesn't have a religion, or believe in anything without evidence. You know, like the other 3,999,999,999 rational people living on this planet.

By the way, when you bold and italics your entire posts, they don't really gain any gravitas. They just look silly. Very "fire-and-brimstone" like, the sign of a truly delusional zealot. It's rewarding knowing that I won't be beaten or burned at the stake, as was common not all too long ago to deny Jesus. Or are you delusional about that as well?

I really didn't want to post anything else, but, I just couldn't resist.

*I have Pagan friends by the way. And they are just as delusional as every other religious person I have ever met. But I still love them, just as much as I love you all. I love all people the same no matter their religion. Something tells me, if there was a Jesus, he would love all people the same as well (including Pagans). After all, it's no one's fault they believe the things they do any more than it's their fault for being born in a certain time period, in a certain geographical area, or to a set of parents who decide to pass on their particular set of delusions to their offspring.

Just unfortunate, thats all.

**ControlFreak1** · 12-21-2009, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by marosell

I don't know what to say about his character, I've never met him, but a liar he is not.

Funny, these descriptions fit Christians pretty well too. OH THE IRONY!

I'm not exactly sure what's funnier, a man of faith making fun of another man's faith claiming that his beliefs are "false", or the fact that you really didn't understand the video or the man who made it. If you did, you'd understand that he is not a man of faith.

He doesn't say what be believes because he doesn't believe in anything. He's not a pagan. Everyone that doesn't believe what you believe (evil, hell-bound non-christians presumably) is a pagan? I hope there aren't any pagans on this board that you are offending. If you knew what a pagan* was, you'd know that a person who makes a video about religious delusion would not be a pagan.

It's important to note that the author of the video doesn't have a religion, or believe in anything without evidence. You know, like the other 3,999,999,999 rational people living on this planet.

By the way, when you bold and italics your entire posts, they don't really gain any gravitas. They just look silly. Very "fire-and-brimstone" like, the sign of a truly delusional zealot. It's rewarding knowing that I won't be beaten or burned at the stake, as was common not all too long ago to deny Jesus. Or are you delusional about that as well?

I really didn't want to post anything else, but, I just couldn't resist.

*I have Pagan friends by the way. And they are just as delusional as every other religious person I have ever met. But I still love them, just as much as I love you all. I love all people the same no matter their religion. Something tells me, if there was a Jesus, he would love all people the same as well (including Pagans). After all, it's no one's fault they believe the things they do any more than it's their fault for being born in a certain time period, in a certain geographical area, or to a set of parents who decide to pass on their particular set of delusions to their offspring.

Just unfortunate, thats all.

I understand the pagan fool perfectly, most likely more than the delusional fool understands himself, a delusional pagan zealot is exactly what he is, and a deluded habitual fanatical pathalogical liar. To say that he doesn't believe anything is just ignorant and delusional. Amazing that some people try to talk about something when they obviously don't know what they are talking about. And I do say all of that with love and charity and instructing those who oppose themselves in ignorance or obstinance. You obviously don't know Jesus much less what He would do or what He is going to do. If you think that your phoney accusations denial and rejection of God or His truth are going to in some way someday help you then the sooner that you wake up the better. 4 billion people - dream on baby, dream on.
Just tragically unfortunate, that's all.

Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - the Holy Bible

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