Thread: Organizations with the specific intent to bring christianity to its ultimate demise..

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Ugh! Failure again.

I think to single out "the left" as a destroyer of Christianity is pretty ludicrous, and I'd love to see some examples of where this is evident. I would support the stance that Christianity is threatened by no person, group, or organized branch of government other than (as has been suggested) by other more radical Christian groups.

I think that's all I'll say for now. I guess I should go back and read the other thread from which this one stemmed to get some context.

Can somebody link to it?


EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

My point is this, what good does it do me to have a freedom that is denied me. It would be like having the freedom to drive 35 mph down the street, but every time I get on the street I get a ticket for just being there, never getting the chance to enjoy the freedom. There may be no laws on the books to restrict me but I am still being restricted by those who are sworn to uphold the law. Persecution by the state equals illegality wether written or not.

I'm certain that the faithful practiced their "legal" rights, freedom of religion was not denied.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

My point is this, what good does it do me to have a freedom that is denied me.

Oh, it does a lot of good actually. If it's easier think about the US constitution and various freedoms it guarantees. Some were not available to be practiced for decades and even centuries.

I think that the eastern bear aka Soviet is not a valid example of the organisation that this thread was about as religion was not illegal there. The state never encouraged people into religion, but it never was illegal.

Originally Posted by JMS

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Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

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Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Big difference, freedom of religion was not outlawed

Are you telling me that Christian worship was not outlawed in the USSR?

Originally Posted by Miner123

Are you telling me that Christian worship was not outlawed in the USSR?

Indeed, from Wildtim's link itself:

"Holding of a religion was never outlawed and the Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe"

Soviet Union was a secularistic state. Religion was separated from the state. Soviet constitution proved freedom of religion, and also freedom from religion.
Most Christians were Orthodox, but in the western parts of the Soviet there were also Catholics; near Finnish borders there were Lutherians. Islam was common in Caucasus.
Between years 1921 - 43 there were serious attempt to bring down religions, but the attempt failed. In the 1937 census 57% of Soviet citizens declared to be religious (Christians or Muslims). Most serious targets for persecutions were those whose the state thought to be a political threat (Catholics and Jews).
During WW2 Orthodox church was called by the state to fight against Axis (propably by spreading sermons against Nazism. I don't know).
After 1943 there were no serious attempts to bring down religions.

Source: Finnish Wikipedia, sorry for my poor translation.

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Indeed, from Wildtim's link itself:

"Holding of a religion was never outlawed and the Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe"

But it might as well have been. For all intents and purposes it was illegal. If you were found to be holding a religious belief you could be imprisoned or worse.

Another wiki link. I really don't like wikipedia but it's easy right now so:

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Miner123

But it might as well have been. For all intents and purposes it was illegal. If you were found to be holding a religious belief you could be imprisoned or worse.

Another wiki link. I really don't like wikipedia but it's easy right now so:

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the link I quoted from.