Thread: AIR AMERICA DEFUNCT

Right, I was asking what are the current definitions of liberal and progressive in USA. Looks like you are saying these labels mean socialist or communist (not quite sure), and that they apply to the congress leaders of the D party.
I guess since my observations don't quite jive with the last of these statements, I'll assume you know something I don't. It doesn't concern me too much either way since I don't vote.

Originally Posted by Alembic

So you can see their philosophy, here are the ten points of the communism.

What was the point of posting the ten points of communism?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

What was the point of posting the ten points of communism?

The ten points outline what was/is deemed necessary for a collective group to transform whatever the current govenmental model is into a communist/socialist model, assuming you want one.

So if you are a student of history, and I assume you probably are based on the fact that you have jumped into this thread, you can easily go down the 10 points and realize how many are institued in America either fully or partially already.

I have no idea your perspective on them, you may like them, you may hate them. For this discussion, it really does not matter.

What does matter is almost no countries in the history of communism have never gone to that system willingly, with the exception of European Socialism. It has always been at the point of a gun. And then, the indigenous population dies - and a lot of them. In fact, approximately 100 million in the last century. These are people that did not want communism. Some died fighting it, some died as collateral damage, but most died because they were deemed too intelligent to go with the program and were in fact suspected of being the reason why it was not working. Not the fact that it is a failed philosophy. And this is why the first laws enacted by communist governments are to ban fire arms ownership - they always know what is coming next.

So, enter America. Wealthy, prosperous America. Here is an ideal place to set up a communist government. But you can't go straight at it. The 10 points are unconstitutional. Plus the general polupation is heavily armed. They would never go for it willingly. But here is the genius of progressives. They never give up and they are very patient.

What they realized is that if you can make somebody feel guilty enough to put the gun to their own head, they would not have to. They could transform America by simply making it feel guilty for everything. Guilty for being poor, guilty for being rich, guilty for being white, guilty for being black, guilty for having an education, guilty for not having an education. Guilty for winning, guilty for loosing. And so the list goes on and on. And we are putting the gun to our own head and letting the 10 points just happen to us.

But history shows what the next steps are going to be, and it ain't pretty.

Hope that helps.

NYCShaver... I duhno, I was asking myself the very same question, perhaps lunacy, fantascism? Downright derrangement of facts and factual events. The need to villify in order to exornerate mistakes of his own parties beliefs? Could be a myriad of reasons, but I doubt "reason," had anything to do with it lol


christ almighty please help us here.lol

59Caddy, great name you would have thrived in the McCarthy era....lol

Henry Ford lol... great guy...glad he was around, I mean seriously what other American could have won the German Golden Cross from Hitler? lol

I got to remind myself to stay out of politiking


good times
David

Originally Posted by Alembic

The ten points outline what was/is deemed necessary for a collective group to transform whatever the current govenmental model is into a communist/socialist model, assuming you want one.

Ok but I asked what was the point of you posting it.

Originally Posted by Alembic

So if you are a student of history, and I assume you probably are based on the fact that you have jumped into this thread, you can easily go down the 10 points and realize how many are institued in America either fully or partially already.

So you are trying to say that America is moving towards Communism?

uhhh...ok

So who is the master mind behind the plan to change America to a communist country?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Ok but I asked what was the point of you posting it.



So you are trying to say that America is moving towards Communism?

uhhh...ok

So who is the master mind behind the plan to change America to a communist country?

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Originally Posted by Sirshavesalot

NYCShaver... I duhno, I was asking myself the very same question, perhaps lunacy, fantascism? Downright derrangement of facts and factual events. The need to villify in order to exornerate mistakes of his own parties beliefs? Could be a myriad of reasons, but I doubt "reason," had anything to do with it lol


christ almighty please help us here.lol

59Caddy, great name you would have thrived in the McCarthy era....lol

Henry Ford lol... great guy...glad he was around, I mean seriously what other American could have won the German Golden Cross from Hitler? lol

I got to remind myself to stay out of politiking


good times
David

Of course you do realize that making fun of facts does not make them any less facts? They have neither been twisted nor modified.

So, instead of taking that tact of attacking me personally, which you have done quite a number of times in your response, why don't you tell me what happened to 100 million people? Why don't you tell me how the 10 points that I listed are not being implemented in America? Tell me the historical roots of communism in China and the Soviet Union and how they propogated it within the population without a single casualty?

Name calling? - Tsk Tsk, very lowbrow.

Originally Posted by Alembic

What does matter is almost no countries in the history of communism have never gone to that system willingly, with the exception of European Socialism. It has always been at the point of a gun. And then, the indigenous population dies - and a lot of them. In fact, approximately 100 million in the last century. These are people that did not want communism. Some died fighting it, some died as collateral damage, but most died because they were deemed too intelligent to go with the program and were in fact suspected of being the reason why it was not working. Not the fact that it is a failed philosophy. And this is why the first laws enacted by communist governments are to ban fire arms ownership - they always know what is coming next.

I understand that you gents are talking about the politics in U.S.A and not how it goes somewhere else, but this got me little curious as i would like to know what are those socialist countries in Europe? I know we've had some but they are long gone by now.

Of those 100 million that died in Stalin terror not most, or even majority were against his politics. All it needed to have a wrong name, skin color, union membership or race. Some were just born (or their parents were born) in a wrong place (Finns, Estonians etc etc). Some were artists, painters, musicians. Had nothing to do with resisting Stalin dictatorship and discretion. Not all victims of the Nazi regime were against or interested in their politics either. Being a jew was enough.

Originally Posted by Sailor

I understand that you gents are talking about the politics in U.S.A and not how it goes somewhere else, but this got me little curious as i would like to know what are those socialist countries in Europe? I know we've had some but they are long gone by now.

Sweden's one in my book, so you decide how far off other European countries are.

Originally Posted by Sailor

I understand that you gents are talking about the politics in U.S.A and not how it goes somewhere else, but this got me little curious as i would like to know what are those socialist countries in Europe? I know we've had some but they are long gone by now.

Of those 100 million that died in Stalin terror not most, or even majority were against his politics. All it needed to have a wrong name, skin color, union membership or race. Some were just born (or their parents were born) in a wrong place (Finns, Estonians etc etc). Some were artists, painters, musicians. Had nothing to do with resisting Stalin dictatorship and discretion. Not all victims of the Nazi regime were against or interested in their politics either. Being a jew was enough.

The artist, painters, musicians, engineers, teachers, scientist that were killed were thought to be the reason why communism was not working - hence they had to go. But you bring up another good point. Socialism usually has a military dicatator behind it that promised to do great things for the people, then only did great things for themselves. You named two. Mao, Castro Kim Jong Il. The list is quite long.