Thread: Health Care Reform; States suing as unconstitutional

The legislation that is about to pass into law won't result in "military health care" being substituted for private plans. You need to read up on what the new law entails. Lots of summaries are available on the net if you want to learn more.

Originally Posted by BAMARACING8

ok here is my take on this whole debacle.....being in the military i already recive the "healthcare package".....and im not gonna pull any punches IT SUCKS! on the outside before i came in i had my own health coverage it was expensive but it was top notch i went to the dentist every 6 months with only a 20$ co payment now in the military i only get to the dentist once a year. on the outside if i got sick i called made my apointment for the following day. in the military i get told alot that we dotn have any avalible slots for over a week. many times if we get some sort of injury you get a large bottle of 800mg motrin and get sent on your way, when you finally get an apointment. so from my experinces when i get hurt i go to the local ER get treated by a better doctor right away.then i schedule an apointment which is usually a wait of several days to a week plus. and start the paper work for the ER vist and get that taken care of....so when i get out of the military i dont ever want the same healthcare again i would rather spend the money and have quality health coverage and not be hurt for a week before getting seen by a doctor..........i have a bad feeling that this is the type of healthcare this country is being forced into....the old saying comes into play here on this....you get what you pay for

Hey, who are these guys from outside the U.S telling us their system is great and they love it? We here in the U.S know that simply isn't true. They must be ringers sent in by the Liberals to make us think that system works.

You can't compare the Govt mandate system with auto insurance or the Govt telling people they have do do or buy something. Besides anyone remember the draft. You got a letter and you went and you served and maybe you died or were never the same again isn't that making you do something you never wanted to do?

At any rate with healthcare if you don't think you need it it's not like forcing you to buy a product because if you don't want the product you don't buy it but if you have a heart attack and and you have no insurance and have no money do you do nothing and die? No, you wind up in the emergency room and everyone else gets stuck with the bill.

Maybe they should change law and policy so when someone goes to the emergency room you pay up front or your shown the door. After people start dying in enough numbers people will demand a Govt plan.

Originally Posted by hardblues

Honedright, in regards to your last sentence...here is a partial of another post I offered on ACORN that may be interewsting to you:

.....ACORN was tied into the SEIU, and according to investigative reports, ACORN and the SEIU (Service Employees International Union)...exchange funds back and forth.

Wade Rathke, the founder of ACORN, was ousted from ACORN because his brother took 1-million from the organization, but, instead of prosecution, was allowed to make partial resitution, (shuffle).

Wade Rathke is also with SEIU as their chief organizer...in short, ACORN going down is cool as no one can deny the corruption, however, in reality, they've probably been busy shuffling ACORN's assesst to SEIU and when it was done...they were bankrupt. Same entity...different name.

BTW, SEIU spent over $30,000,000.00 in independant funds in support of the Obama campaign and 94% of SEIU's PAC's contributions were to democratic candidates. They represent more immigrant workers than any other union in the U.S. and are big-time behind the Health Care Reform effort, (all those people who didn't have insurance that will get it now).

So, depending on how you think...this may be all fine and dandy, but, the correlations do kind of tie a few things together regarding other recent events. Like I said...shuffle...good shuffle, bad shuffle, however you think!

Interesting. When I heard that ACORN was closing, my deviously suspicious mind considered exactly the type of scenario you just reported, that ACORN had basically just changed names and was still alive and well under a different guise.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Maybe they should change law and policy so when someone goes to the emergency room you pay up front or your shown the door. After people start dying in enough numbers people will demand a Govt plan.

Better yet, how about they treat you and save your life, and then, as an act of immense gratitude to the doctors and staff who saved you, you wash dishes in the hospital cafeteria for the rest of your life??

Originally Posted by honedright

Better yet, how about they treat you and save your life, and then, as an act of immense gratitude to the doctors and staff who saved you, you wash dishes in the hospital cafeteria for the rest of your life??

That's a great idea. You could be an indentured servant and empty bedpans and wash floors and wash dishes for years.

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

The legislation that is about to pass into law won't result in "military health care" being substituted for private plans. You need to read up on what the new law entails. Lots of summaries are available on the net if you want to learn more.

yea it will be private plans contracted to the LOWEST bidder(because thats how the gov works) which will result in sub par healthcare....
i know that there are some people that cant work due to disablity, but there are others who are outright lazy and choose not to work and want everything handed to them.(and the avg person working hard for what they earn get stuck having to pay for the lazy people.i dont like that. NO FREE RIDE) everyone with a job and a roof over thier head could afford private coverage. They just need to get thier priorities straightened out and make some lifestyle and spending habbit changes.
there are so many compaines that offer quality coverage at an affordable price just to name two would be: mutual of omaha and aflac. so you cant use the excuse my employer doesnt offer insurance when you can purchase your own and tailored to suit your needs and budget. its just like buying a car or apliance you shop around for what you need and the best price.
i also understand that there can be extinuating circumstances like someone losing thier job. i think that temporary coverage should be included with unenployment benifits but nothing long term

i really dont like the idea of paying for all of the people who are not responsible enough to take care of themselves. because this is a free country and everyone has to make a choice on how they spend thier income. im not tryign to start an argument with anyone i am just trying to make a point that the majority of the people shouldnt be stuck paying for someone else bad choices for years and years to come

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Hey, who are these guys from outside the U.S telling us their system is great and they love it? We here in the U.S know that simply isn't true. They must be ringers sent in by the Liberals to make us think that system works.

Ive been unfortunate or some may say fortunate enough to have needed the services of our NHS, and i dont know where/who tells you otherwise, but we really do have a great system of health care for all. Just this last weekend my daughter needed emergency medical care and the system worked impeccably.I could not have afforded any of the treatments ive had over the years so i wonder where i would be if i had lived in your country ?

Is basic health care a right? well i would hope so in a modern democratic country.

I would think about why someone would want to dissuade anyone from an all encompassing system like ours, maybe they are thinking about their own interests rather that the ordinary man on the street. Not only that but it is the largest employer in the country too.



ian glad to live in the UK

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

if you don't want the product you don't buy it

Well I guess you don't have to, but you'll still have to pay.

This bill also changes the tax code so that you have to pay a tax penalty if you don't purchase a federally approved healthcare plan. Unless you're a nonresident alien of course, then you're exempt.

Read all about it starting on page 167 here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...4872rh.txt.pdf



Which is actually opposite what Obama said during his debate with Hillary (click quote for ref):

My belief is that if we make it affordable, if we provide subsidies to those who can’t afford it, they will buy it. Senator Clinton has a different approach. She believes that we have to force people who don’t have health insurance to buy it.
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there’s still going to be people who can’t afford it. And if they cannot afford it, then the question is, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to fine them? Are you going to garnish their wages?

More recently he said (click quote for ref):

What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don’t, you’re subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it’s affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there’s a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are — are burdened by because of the fact that people don’t have health insurance, you know, there’s nothing wrong with a penalty.

So, if you can afford it you have to purchase it or else you get slapped with a tax specifically written in to punish you for not purchasing. It doesn't make sense to me - if you can afford it, but you don't need it, then how are you burdening families that can afford it and are using it?

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

That's a great idea. You could be an indentured servant and empty bedpans and wash floors and wash dishes for years.

Oh but guys like you are too good for that eh? You were a cop right? You could provide security services for a hospital until your debt was paid, saving the hospital extra expense.

If you can't pay your bill in dollars and cents, then pay in time and service. That is the American way.

When did America stop being the land of the free and home of the brave, and become the home of the lazy looking for handouts??

How embarrassing

Originally Posted by honedright

Oh but guys like you are too good for that eh? You were a cop right? You could provide security services for a hospital until you debt was paid, saving the hospital extra expense.

If you can't pay your bill in dollars and cents, then pay in time and service. That is the American way.

When did America stop being the land of the free and home of the brave, and become the home of the lazy looking for handouts??

How embarrassing

4 November 2008....hope that answers your question