Thread: Gallup Poll: 4 in 10 believe man created by God 10,000 years ago

"It would be interesting to see if the OP had some thoughts on wet shaving with straight razors once in awhile rather than thread after thread on "hot button" issues that seem to be calculated to generate controversy and divisiveness."

Actually, I have a really, really long beard and haven't shaved for as long as I can remember...

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Fair enough. Silly to you? Certainly. However, it still all boils down to what you believe. Both sides of this believes something, and I find it as silly to think something came from nothing and systems as complex as we witness were the result of some grand coincidence as I do to think a creator did it...

Who created the creator of the universe?

And why believe it came from nothing?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Who created the creator of the universe?

And why believe it came from nothing?

That's easy. God describes himself as "I Am" without beginning or ending.

But, you already knew that, didn't you?

Like I said, both sides boil down to some sort of belief, and neither know definitively.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

That's easy. God describes himself as "I Am" without beginning or ending.

But, you already knew that, didn't you?

Like I said, both sides boil down to some sort of belief, and neither know definitively.

So the Universe needs a creator but God doesn't? If you are admitting that there can be something eternal why invent a god to be that thing when there is no evidence for one?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

So the Universe needs a creator but God doesn't? If you are admitting that there can be something eternal why invent a god to be that thing when there is no evidence for one?

One fish says to the other, "I love the ocean." The other one replies,"There is no ocean."

First, I'm not inventing anything.

Second, one could argue that the Universe is the evidence of God, and he revealed himself to the world through different events throughout the history of the world.

Third, why do you have a problem with me saying that none of us know definitively something that none of us know definitively?

We will know one day, though...

Originally Posted by richmondesi

First, I'm not inventing anything.

There is no evidence for god. The concept of god was invented by humans.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Second, one could argue that the Universe is the evidence of God, and he revealed himself to the world through different events throughout the history of the world.

That's begging the question.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Third, why do you have a problem with me saying that none of us know definitively something that none of us know definitively?

We will know one day, though...

Why do you think I have a problem with it? I'm just pointing out there is no reason to bring the idea of a god into it.

Saying there is no god is begging the question as well.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Saying there is no god is begging the question as well.

No it's not. And I never said there was no god. I said there was no evidence of god.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

No it's not. And I never said there was no god. I said there was no evidence of god.

Yes it is. You said man invented God. That means you said there is no god (outside of the realm of man's imagination). That means, by necessity, that God did not inspire the writing of the Bible (according to you). Again, begging the question.

Either way, you believe something. If you take any stance one way or the other, it requires you to beg the question.

I'm the only one in this conversation (that I recall) that says I truly don't know, but I believe...

Thereby, NOT begging the question because I'm not assuming anything true. I'm telling you what I believe.