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    I don't think it's very politically correct for people to talk trash about China, a country that supplies most of the world with the things we like to buy now. It seems to be popular among some to allege that China exploits its people or worse, abuses and kills them in a wanton and terroristic manner. You hear of innocent Chinese having their organs harvested with no anesthetic in specially outfitted buses enroute to the airstrip for quick transport of said organs to the highest bidder. I doubt it. Why? I've never seen such things mentioned on the news. Like I said, I think it's very un-PC to trash China. What's that about casting the first stone? Maybe the right thing for us to do is self flagellate for generations given all of "our" shameful conduct. Who are "we" to point fingers at China even if their human rights abuses were in fact a thousand times worse than many purport them to be?

    I confess in frustration that I too am a hypocrite when it comes to China since sheng Pu-ehr tea is as someone else described it: "liquid crack" to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think it's very politically correct for people to talk trash about China, a country that supplies most of the world with the things we like to buy now. It seems to be popular among some to allege that China exploits its people or worse, abuses and kills them in a wanton and terroristic manner. You hear of innocent Chinese having their organs harvested with no anesthetic in specially outfitted buses enroute to the airstrip for quick transport of said organs to the highest bidder. I doubt it. Why? I've never seen such things mentioned on the news. Like I said, I think it's very un-PC to trash China. What's that about casting the first stone? Maybe the right thing for us to do is self flagellate for generations given all of "our" shameful conduct. Who are "we" to point fingers at China even if their human rights abuses were in fact a thousand times worse than many purport them to be?

    I confess in frustration that I too am a hypocrite when it comes to China since sheng Pu-ehr tea is as someone else described it: "liquid crack" to me.

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    Your kidding right? Un PC ? not in the news?
    censorship its the word of the day.

    I have a block of two hundred year old puer in my kitchen, but prefer my breakfast blend from fotnum and mason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    Your kidding right? Un PC ? not in the news?
    censorship its the word of the day.

    I have a block of two hundred year old puer in my kitchen, but prefer my breakfast blend from fotnum and mason.
    Hi Shayne,
    While I can agree that we all need to work on fixing our own problems before we actively fix other places, I do appreciate your communication and insight. I am a 1rst generation American citizen but have went back to visit family many times in Sicily. The older I got the more I appreciated the life, the mobility and chances the USA gave my family.
    I don't think it would be good for America to ever turn it's back on brutality to children or minmize the freedoms we all take for granted. I believe the first step in losing our way of life is to ignore when and where autrocities are happening anywhere in the world including our own back yard.
    I don't quite understand the PC comment made by Chris, but I would take not being PC as the highest form of compliment. The correctness of good Americans and all freedom loving beings is written in a place where no Government anywhere can erase. Please keep it close to your heart and realize there are many who wish you well in dark times and places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    Your kidding right? Un PC ? not in the news?
    censorship its the word of the day.

    I have a block of two hundred year old puer in my kitchen, but prefer my breakfast blend from fotnum and mason.
    Before a landslide of misunderstanding ensues....Yes.

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    I've never been in China but for my work i've spent few months in northeast Africa, where local manners, specially on the countryside were sometimes very primitive, even brutal, and surely different than ours in the "west". Probably it is the same thing in China?

    The respect for human rights, somewhat hygienic lifestyle is a result of our standard of living. We've had a few hundred years more to develop into a point we are now. Besides cultural differences, things were probably not so different in Europe or USA say 200 years ago?
    Today we are privileged to live in the middle of relative safe society with all this material stuff we are surrounded, while some in China or Africa still have to face everyday challenges such as starving or how to survive with your family into next day.

    Chang, Achmed or Ngogoba aren't so different from us. They want the same things as us, but they are just playing with the cards they are given by the rules they have learned. Of course this is just rude generalization and i do not think everything in different cultures is right but at least some of those strange habits and manners are just a tradition of surviving.

    They are heading for the same quality of life we have here and if they ever reach it then they will have more time to consider human rights and such.
    Another fact is that it is not possible for all the world to have the same quality of life as we have here, but it is a question of another topic and an issue that even politicians or scientists haven't been able to agree.
    Meanwhile i think that each and every nation that has even some international deals or business with the rest of the world should respect international agreements such as human rights.

    Just my 2c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    It is a funny thing, rich Americans tend to stay at home rich Europeans travel and vacation alot. ( first two are generalizations) Rich Chinese get out of china. ( this is a fact)
    Lx, please keep in mind we have one official news station for 1.3 bil folks in fact when its 6 pm here you have two choices state sponsored news ( A lot like soviet times or N Korea I would imagine) which is on nearly every channel or historical and moralistic dramas. so you can say that that site is bad mouthing but in fact it is only a site which is providing translations of the unofficial news and comments of the netizins.
    the pursuit of the harmonious society is the reason for all the censorship of world views. BBC keeps getting banned facebook was banned six years ago three years ago twitter last week it was linked in. Tienanmen massacre actually gets your ISP locked for about fifteen min as do a few other embarrassments this government wishes to hide.

    Human rights . I knew a girl who was not a member but only said falun gong ? whats the problem ? two years reeducation ! some big developer paid the local government for some land, boom thugs go in and kick the family out beat them and burn down the house while local cops watch , try to complain get beaten ,ignored or dissapear if you make too much noise.
    let your kid play on the street he gets stolen and sold to work in a brick factory. cops just tell parents to forget about their kids.

    Yes the world needs more and cheaper products and have no problem proclaiming themselves above this trash but at the same time beg to support it by signing more and more trade agreements. WTO haha rich, china has met less then 50% of what they agreed to in order to be a member.
    I don't know , my friends who live in other parts of Asia have their mind blown when they stay here for any length of time. I bought a house in Japan just to have a place to relax. but this is the place to make money not a whole lot happening anywhere else.
    I'm sure that bad things happen. But I'm a bit sick of people coming into a forum with the sole purpose of stirring up hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LX_Emergency View Post
    I'm sure that bad things happen. But I'm a bit sick of people coming into a forum with the sole purpose of stirring up hatred.
    +1 I have to agree with LX here

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    You sly dog you, how did you know that was exactly my purpose.

    Though I fail to see your point,
    If i were to mention how disheartening the drug/ corruption problem was in say Burma or Afghanistan would that also be stirring hatred ? or how about greed and corruption in the USA, these are things much better documented then what happens here in the great ol PRC.

    To my understanding all I said and did is to express my opinion (and put up a couple stories off the Chinese webs By the way most comments if you read them are translations from Chinese to English) which is a widely held opinion among both the ex- pat community and the western leaning local population.

    we are all entitled to have our own opinions based upon hopefully knowledge. if I in some way incited anyone to hatred please watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    From someone who lives in this city and has for over ten years I can tell you situations such as this are more the norm then some exception .
    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    foreigners come here for the money many leave because of the quality of life and the mentality of the locals.
    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    I bought a house in Japan just to have a place to relax. but this is the place to make money not a whole lot happening anywhere else.
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    Glenn ,
    That's a great question. I would have to answer, I do it because my company is here and I have no problem with taking money from anyone.
    Lick up the honey, stranger.

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    Alan , did you mean to say something?

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