Thread: Nov 22nd 1963 The Kennedy Assassination

Originally Posted by Mvcrash

I suck at shooting and could have made the shots with a hand gun. Also, there was no magic bullet. It is called a screw up in the crime scene search. Forensic Science has come a long way since 1963. I'd bet that bullet was picked up by a cop as a souvenir and then when he heard the President was dead, dropped it on the gurney.

Did you NOT watch the video? The video refutes the magic bullet theory and offers the strong hypothesis that the shot that got Kennedy through the neck, and Gov. Connelly, were fired from behind and above the limo--from the 6th story of the Texas Book Depository to be precise.

Here's a lengthier video (of which the first video I posted is a part):

Originally Posted by otherstar

I had forgotten about that! I had read about it in Manchester's Death of a President. That definitely sets Oswald up as a "lone nut" no?

Ahhh and there is the rub, is that a "set up" and more "Proof" to the Lone Gunman theory, or did it actually happen, because if it is true, then that pretty much cinches that he was working alone in my mind...

The neatly wrapped bow on LHO is one of the things that makes it hard to swallow but look at some of the tragic killings that have happened since then that had no government help...

Why did Jack Ruby kill LHO?

Originally Posted by Bruno

Why did Jack Ruby kill LHO?

To keep LHO from pointing the finger at the mob who hired him to kill JFK.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

One other thing that pushes me toward the LHO did it, and he did it alone theory is the General Walker attempt that is very compelling

Never proven that it was he who made the attempt nor, conclusively, that he killed Dallas police officer J.D. Tippet. A guy goes to his 'sniper's nest to shoot the president and brings 3 rounds of ammo ? You know no more was found at the scene nor at his dwelling, nor at the Perry's where Marina was living. Anyway ...... we are each entitled to our own opinions. Those who have really studied Oswald, and the case overall, have a more educated opinion than those who haven't. As I said in my first post in this thread. In believing that there was a conspiracy I am in good company, Lyndon Baines Johnson believed there was as well, as did RFK. I'm done with this thread. Y'all have fun ;-)

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Ahhh and there is the rub, is that a "set up" and more "Proof" to the Lone Gunman theory, or did it actually happen, because if it is true, then that pretty much cinches that he was working alone in my mind...

The neatly wrapped bow on LHO is one of the things that makes it hard to swallow but look at some of the tragic killings that have happened since then that had no government help...

Set up was a poor choice of words on my part. But, if LHO did attempt to assassinate Gen. Walker, then it's possible he was simply trying to make a name for himself in some sick way. The behavioral pattern was set. He thought he would be a hero (to somebody perhaps) by assassinating someone important while he himself was besought with his own feelings of inadequacy. That fits the profile of a typical assassin/lone nut does it not? That's how Manchester portray's LHO, and I think it's reasonable. It's a pattern that has appeared several times in history. Hinkley worked alone when he tried to assassinate Reagan. Columbine was a group of nuts working together. The gunman that almost killed Rep. Giffords in Arizona is a lone nut. None of them had government help and look at what they did, or in Hinkley's case-almost did.

Is it really a neatly wrapped bow, or is it possible that Intelligence already existed about LHO because of his communist ties and somebody dropped the ball in advance of the trip to Dallas and LHO slipped through the security cracks?

Originally Posted by Bruno

Why did Jack Ruby kill LHO?

Like I said a few post above, lot's of people wanted to kill LHO after he shot the president. There was a huge amount of anger (especially in Dallas) over the assassination.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Like I said a few post above, lot's of people wanted to kill LHO after he shot the president. There was a huge amount of anger (especially in Dallas) over the assassination.

Yes. I could have understood the average joe shooting him, or a police officer making him fall down the stairs a dozen times. A nightclub owner with mafia ties otoh would know better than to publicly kill someone.

That, combined with the fabricated evidence about LHO creates at least the reasonable assumption that someone was trying to hide at least part of the story, which may be as innocuous as trying to obscure the person who ordered the hit.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Yes. I could have understood the average joe shooting him,

There is little evidence that Ruby was anything other than an average joe. His connection with the mob was tenuous at best. He was close to the Campisi family in Dallas. I went to school with the Campisi kids, they were not an organized crime family. They were very prominent in the Italian American community in Dallas, and as such they surely rub elbows with some mobsters, I'm certain. But that's not enough of a connection to make me think he was hired by the Mafia.

Really, he's got more akin to Mark David Chapman. The idea of grasping for notoriety by killing a person who's in the limelight was a large part of his motive, I feel. (That's entirely conjecture on my part, but I think it's probably true)

A nightclub owner with mafia ties otoh would know better than to publicly kill someone.

Which seems to me to indicate that he was probably a person with poor impulse control, not a hired gun for the mob.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

There is little evidence that Ruby was anything other than an average joe.

Of couse there is little or no evidence. The mafia is not known for keeping detailed records on people in their employ, especially lower level thugs and cover operators. The files on Ruby from the FBI aren't exactly forthcoming either. Lot's of black marker.