Thread: Someone explain this to me.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Ahhh the old addage comes to mind...

"Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Come on gents seriously, some of us are old enough to remember when Insurance itself was voluntary, so were seat belts, infant seats, smoking in a car even, it was the insurance companies and their lobbyists that changed all that.. If you seriously think these devices will continue to be "voluntary" yer smoking the wrong pipe

Remember sitting on your father's lap and driving the car yourself? Do that with your kid's and see what happens when Officer Friendly pulls you over. Reminds me of the quote from Franklin, :Anybody who would give up their essential liberty for security deserves neither." And this is what has happened and is still happening now.

Last time I looked there was no pill you took in the morning before you went to class to make you attentive and want to learn. If H.S was a waste take some responsibility. If you wanted to do well in school what held you back? Were the staff really that horrible?

Private schools can cherry pick students and have the ability to lavish time and money which public schools don't.

I can sit here and pick apart your responses too. The reality is that it's just a difference in opinion and ideology.

If it were so clear that one side were better than the other regarding anything with the government, there would be no debates, arguments, or different political parties.

I happen to believe the government should stay away, you feel they should be more involved. I'd never think differently of someone for not having the same thoughts as I do but we all know topics like these are pointless because we're not going to sway opinions. Something big has to happen before people change their minds and until it does, there will be opposing viewpoints. For example, no one is going to argue that cigarettes aren't bad for you anymore.

Originally Posted by ats200

I happen to believe the government should stay away, you feel they should be more involved.

This is incorrect. What I think is that there are things the government ought to be more involved in than it is now, and others where it ought to be less involved in or not at all. And those are not fixed once and for all by an ideology or historical fact, but have change over time as is needed for the better function of the society. I'd call that more a matter of worldview, not an opinion.

Originally Posted by gugi

...And those are not fixed once and for all by an ideology or historical fact, but have change over time as is needed for the better function of the society.

The problem is that in reality, the government only grows. I might agree with your position if I ever saw government actually remove itself from anything. I hear about new laws all the time but never about repealing them. For the last 40+ years at least, government has only increased it's intervention...its meddling...in markets and society.

Further, assuming your position is correct, and the federal government should "change over time", there is a process for that, the amendment process. I find it unconscionable that we have so long ignored the law of the land.

I'd call that more a matter of worldview, not an opinion.

Pardon my candor, but that sounds really arrogant.

Originally Posted by eflatminor

Further, assuming your position is correct, and the federal government should "change over time", there is a process for that, the amendment process. I find it unconscionable that we have so long ignored the law of the land.

Hey, don't blame me, this isn't my country and I don't have any part in how it's run. I say if you don't like what your politicians do, elect better ones. And if you can't do that, may be the way the founding fathers set it up isn't all that great after all.

Originally Posted by gugi

Hey, don't blame me, this isn't my country and I don't have any part in how it's run. I say if you don't like what your politicians do, elect better ones. And if you can't do that, may be the way the founding fathers set it up isn't all that great after all.

I didn't realize you had no skin in the game. Sorry to have wasted the bandwidth.

Uhm, it's dangerous to extrapolate without having any knowledge of the pertinent facts. I live in USA and pay taxes that support the USA government. Not being an american for years I've paid more than the americans, without getting the benefits that they do because that's what the law is. So, I'd fall under that taxation without representation thing, which I'm perfectly fine with it, as it's my own choice.
But yeah, I'd argue that I've put more skin in the game than most (and knowing the income and tax distributions in this country, this is also a factually true statement).

I think it's gotten to the point where this is an argument more than a discussion.

"You're just being contrary"

"No I'm not"

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