Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Why not have that and the guns? The guns didn't cause the US social problems. What caused them was the way the society is structured and their firm belief in "it will trickle down, the rich shouldn't be paying taxes, only what's left of the middle class should". And no, I don't blame the immigrants, the terrorizer or the "mysterious" economy that the most powerful nation in the world can't control.

Can you have both? I firmly believe we should be moving towards a world with no weapons, a peaceful place not in the opposite direction. I think that if politicians are afraid of making the most radical changes to a system ,in case it upsets those that could revolt, things are never going to make big changes. When parties here talk about our nuclear disarmament programs, people get annoyed (not me) but they can't revolt, they have to engage in debate and have to vote for change which is far more civilized.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Can you have both? I firmly believe we should be moving towards a world with no weapons, a peaceful place not in the opposite direction. I think that if politicians are afraid of making the most radical changes to a system ,in case it upsets those that could revolt, things are never going to make big changes. When parties here talk about our nuclear disarmament programs, people get annoyed (not me) but they can't revolt, they have to engage in debate and have to vote for change which is far more civilized.

Oh, god, here comes Kum By Ya

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

Oh, god, here comes Kum By Ya

Lol it sounds that way doesn't it! You want to sing the chorus?

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Wouldn't you rather have: a country with lower crime rates, a health service that is accessible to everyone, politicians that aren't bribed, some of the safest roads in the world, a police force that respects everyone and is on the scene in minutes, cellular phone networks that don't own you, prisons that actually prevent crime, ambulance service that is on scene in under 7 mins, nationalised education standards .... ... ... I wonder if some of your rights restrict these things. Our human rights act isn't perfect but it protects us. I wonder if the politicians weren't afraid of revolution if the country could move forward?

Oh come on, even I gagged at that post. There is plenty of evidence that politicians and police in the UK can be as crooked as most other places Political Corruption . I recall reading a post where you said, paraphrasing form memory here, that your prison population comprises mostly repeat offenders. How does that mean the touted rehab program is working never mind preventing crime? I am eating a very large grain of salt here trying to digest that.

Bob

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Can you have both? I firmly believe we should be moving towards a world with no weapons, a peaceful place not in the opposite direction. I think that if politicians are afraid of making the most radical changes to a system ,in case it upsets those that could revolt, things are never going to make big changes. When parties here talk about our nuclear disarmament programs, people get annoyed (not me) but they can't revolt, they have to engage in debate and have to vote for change which is far more civilized.

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

Oh, god, here comes Kum By Ya

heheheh the really bad part is I am almost beginning to beleive he really is this Liberal and not just Trolling the thread to get a rise..

This entire thread I have basically thought he was just being a spoon, especially after all the wrong links he posted showing the exact opposite of his stance


SRH you do know that there really is no Utopian society nor has there ever been one,,,, right????

Originally Posted by gssixgun

heheheh the really bad part is I am almost beginning to beleive he really is this Liberal and not just Trolling the thread to get a rise..

This entire thread I have basically thought he was just being a spoon, especially after all the wrong links he posted showing the exact opposite of his stance

Glenn, I am very liberal, I want world peace and all that bull that i probably won't ever get the chance to see.

I'm not a troll I just like debate, hence why I get irritated when insults are thrown, their just not very nice.

You interpreted the data differently that I. Not correctly, differently. Most of our crime increases are the result of different policing/recording methods.

Is there something wrong with being liberal? I know there hasn't been a Utopian society, but wouldn't it be nice to be the first?

FYI I bet you guys would think our Right wing politicians were lefties lol

Originally Posted by BobH

Oh come on, even I gagged at that post. There is plenty of evidence that politicians and police in the UK can be as crooked as most other places [url=[/url] . I recall reading a post where you said, paraphrasing form memory here, that your prison population comprises mostly repeat offenders. How does that mean the touted rehab program is working never mind preventing crime? I am eating a very large grain of salt here trying to digest that.

Bob

that's true, they mostly are reoffenders, but our prison population is growing at a rate that means crime is falling. Which means a lot are rehabilitated.

Most of those "corrupt" politicians were guilty of misinterpreting the rules. Tax avoidance isn't illegal here in the UK YET, and the expenses claim thing was just silly.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Is there something wrong with being liberal?

Depends on your definition of "Liberal."

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I know there hasn't been a Utopian society, but wouldn't it be nice to be the first?

Have you read Utopia? Not a place where I'd want to live..

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

Actually, they did at Kiska and Attu, AK.

And that was as far they chose to go.

Originally Posted by honedright

Depends on your definition of "Liberal."



Have you read Utopia? Not a place where I'd want to live..

Liberal Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the party I Vote for. I haven't read Utopia, I shall find it out. Alongside the federalist papers I think those will be interesting reading.