Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

FYI I bet you guys would think our Right wing politicians were lefties lol

You have a point there...I had the right/left/conservative/liberal discussion with my (German) lady and realized they mean totally different things across the pond. Democrats here closely resemble other parties there (green, maybe?)...it was thoroughly confusing

Originally Posted by ryanjewell

You have a point there...I had the right/left/conservative/liberal discussion with my (German) lady and realized they mean totally different things across the pond. Democrats here closely resemble other parties there (green, maybe?)...it was thoroughly confusing

Oh Yes, Here in the UK (this isn't an insult) The republicans would be considered crazy (probable like labor or the lib dems in the USA) and would become a marginalized party much like the (and yes these are real) "monster raving loony party" and the "British national party" (I think these are closest to republicans), or the "UK independence party".

Originally Posted by Martin103

In light of another massacre in the us, what your opinion on the right to bear automatic weapons like the ak47 and ar15?

Has your curiosity been satisfied ?

Originally Posted by BobH

Sailor

Your comment on what your grandfather said about knife fighting and cutting rather than killing with them in a knife fight I have heard 40 years ago here. We have a very large Finnish population in our city and an older policeman said the same thing happened here in the Finnish community in the old days. You hear very very little about it now. I guess it must have been a cultural thing that has died out.

Bob

Well i think this whole thread has come over the top for long time ago, but to answer the original question about automatic weapons, i prefer semi over full. Full auto is a waste of bullets, imho.
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But to cool down this conversation a bit, and maybe to make myself fool, once again, here is a movie trailer from Finnish movie 'Härmä' (Ostrobotnia in English). It is based on the real people and real story from about 1850, when resolving mutual disagreements with knife was maybe more common.
Sorry, no English, but if you have guts to listen in Finnish or not even Finnish but Ostrabotnian dialect they talk there even today, it is worth watching. Great movie (but probably for us Finns only).

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Liberal Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the party I Vote for. I haven't read Utopia, I shall find it out. Alongside the federalist papers I think those will be interesting reading.

Interesting that your party preamble states that "No one shall be enslaved by poverty, ingnorance or conformity", and yet you propose a Utopian society. Rather ironic. In fact, epic.

I know this much...when man tries to fashion the world to his liking,it usually ends up blowing up in his face. Some of us need to fight,some of us need to learn peace,some of us should just stay out of the way and shut it.We have a long way to go yet before we transform into peacful utopian balls of light . Till then....if you try to put a lid on the pressure cooker and walk away thinking you have solved the problem and that all will be well,you are lying to yourself. It will blow up eventually.Maybe not in your lifetime,but in someones.So don't go to your grave thinking you have solved anything. Man must evolve naturally not by force of someones will or ideal. Life never has been easy or peaceful and history has proved it time and time again .What works for one does not always work for the other.One mans ideal is another mans yoke. Some love/need to be led...some don't .Someday we will learn...till then.....well............you figure it out.

Addendum:Even the peaceful have gone to war to prove their point...just sayin.

Originally Posted by BobH

The British Commonwealth of Nations was founded in 1931. Note the word nations not colonies. Just what wars were you referring to, WWII? I sometimes wonder about Americans grasp of history not directly connected to the US. Canada did not automatically go to war when Britain declared war on Germany 03 Sept. 1939 but had a Parliamentary debate and vote declaring on 10 Sept. 1939. There is a whole wonderful world out there to properly explore not centered on the US.

Bob

Indeed, it is a fascinating world, and history a subject from which we can all learn much today - although we rarely do ;-) The institution and ratification of the Commonwealth was an important milestone in the transition from the British Empire's colonies, or dominions, to an organization of nations "equal in status, in no way subordinate one to another in any aspect of their domestic or external affairs". After varying periods of British rule, the countries began to RE (!) -gain their independence, and the Brits had far fewer administrative headaches to deal with. That Empire was quite some organization to run!

I find it significant that the Brits held on to control and their economic interests as long as they possibly could. I don't believe they were trying to be humanitarians in generously setting their former colonies free. By the 1920's they were simply stretched too thin across the globe, and the cost of colonial government exceeded the economic benefit. (Same thing happened to the Romans around 300 A.D.). Thus, over G&T's on the verandah, history was made: "By Jove, Harry old chap, I have an ideaah! Let's form a Commonwealth, that way we keep our hand in the till, and the bloody natives can bloody well rule themselves!"

They did maintain their hold on India until 1947. Indian independence was inevitable, but it was the increasing violence between Muslims and Hindus/Sikhs, the influence of Gandhi, and the threat of a general uprising that prompted an acceleration of the process and a division of the country into Pakistan and India. The British Army of 1947 was in no shape to deal with a civil war in India. Another historical occasion besides our Revolutionary War in which an armed populace, in this case merely the threat that it posed, was helpful in abolishing a dictatorial government.

Besides the Commonwealth, Indian independence, Scary Spice, and so much more, we also have the former British Empire to thank for the mess that we call the Middle East. I believe that could have been handled more wisely... but I digress.

I responded to your post mainly because your gibe at the "uneducated American" stereotype didn't sit well. Trust me, I've been around: Stupidity and historical myopia are by no means limited to the US! And a good education, while a little harder to come by here, is not limited to Canada or Europe. Thanks for reading, -o

Indeed Hamburg O(yer name always makes me hungry dagnabbit)....Ghandi tried desparately to make everyone peaceful it lasted o maybe....well...it didn't . Pakistan an India are still at it havin fun as is evryone else in the world.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Wouldn't you rather have: a country with lower crime rates, a health service that is accessible to everyone, politicians that aren't bribed, some of the safest roads in the world, a police force that respects everyone and is on the scene in minutes, cellular phone networks that don't own you, prisons that actually prevent crime, ambulance service that is on scene in under 7 mins, nationalised education standards .... ... ... I wonder if some of your rights restrict these things. Our human rights act isn't perfect but it protects us. I wonder if the politicians weren't afraid of revolution if the country could move forward?

Just where is this utopia of which you speak???


Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Appears to me that after 70 some odd pages of getting your rear end handed to you, you'd give it a break.

You were right about one thing, the reason we still have guns is because we still have guns.

Deal with it. ALL of your rectangular logic as to why you think WE don't need our gun is just your viewpoint.

I can guarantee you this though. IF you were to go Knob Creek, or that OK Full Auto shoot and you were to push the button on a mini-gun and hose a few hundred rounds downrange in a few seconds, I GAURAN-DAMN-TEE you have a grin on your face that would be a WHILE coming off.

Full auto is FUN when Uncles Sugar is buying the ammo. Personally, I have no desire to own any full auto stuff. I've melted out all the barrels I want to already.