Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

Probably shot himself in the foot.

Like Holmes, Auvinen and Breivik did?

Originally Posted by BobH

True enough, but he did come sniffing the cheese anyway didn't he. There is still that matter of the other two. I don't think anyone has or would have problems with higher ups having bigger salaries and other perks in a healthy company or in a healthy economic environment. Rank does have it's privileges. This class of person will not give up any of their lifestyle while everyone else is making sacrifices in theirs like being made redundant, having their pensions, benefits and pay cut during restructurings in bankruptcy protection. Whatever happened to lead by example? There are good and bad ones for sure but I am really starting to wonder how many good ones are left.

Bob

Yeah sorry I can't jump on that bandwagon with you... I don't begrudge the rich if they follow the laws...

Also yer line about "Sniffing the Cheese" shows that you don't understand business to well, it would have been totally irresponsible of Mulaully as CEO of Ford to let his two biggest competitors look into a possible advantage of "Gov Money" and for him to not learn the details of the deal... Think that through a second

And yes I do have a sensitive spot when people say the "Big Three" that is just not right..
You might also take a second to research why Detriot was really in the pickle too, the biggest expense difference between Detriot and foriegn makes is the UAW and Benefits and Pension packages to the workers..

Back when this happened IIRC the comparison numbers between Toyota and GM for workers was $69 per hour per worker avg compared to $24 per worker avg.. the difference was in Benefits & Pensions ( I could be off on the exact numbers as I am going off memory and not Google)


Sorry way

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Yeah sorry I can't jump on that bandwagon with you... I don't begrudge the rich if they follow the laws...

Also yer line about "Sniffing the Cheese" shows that you don't understand business to well, it would have been totally irresponsible of Mulaully as CEO of Ford to let his two biggest competitors look into a possible advantage of "Gov Money" and for him to not learn the details of the deal... Think that through a second

And yes I do have a sensitive spot when people say the "Big Three" that is just not right..
You might also take a second to research why Detriot was really in the pickle too, the biggest expense difference between Detriot and foriegn makes is the UAW and Benefits and Pension packages to the workers..

Back when this happened IIRC the comparison numbers between Toyota and GM for workers was $69 per hour per worker avg compared to $24 per worker avg.. the difference was in Benefits & Pensions ( I could be off on the exact numbers as I am going off memory and not Google)

Idon't know the details, BUT, I have to agree with Glen here, had he not taken the trip, the board wouldn't have had him as CEO for very long. It is the company he has to look after, not his image, any potential investment could be in the companies best interests.

Originally Posted by MickR

Sounds like it isn't a problem of whether or not he had access to a firearm. It sounds like society over there is getting itself wound up just like in other western countries. Society needs look into preventative mental health.


Mick

Almost 90 pages of total bs (me, the worst, included) and before this friend there was not a single comment about if there's something to be done. And even yours came from the land of cangaroos and lowsy Foster beer.

As said about million times before, i'm not anti or pro gun per se because for me this is not black and white.
But there is a fact that as long as there's easy access to weapons of any kind, as long there will be weapon related violence too. Everywhere.
If society isn't willing to consider if there is or isn't something to be done to make things better, whatever that might be, then the number of innocent victims is the price it has to pay for it. It is not utopia, but just one of those facts in life.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Idon't know the details, BUT, I have to agree with Glen here, had he not taken the trip, the board wouldn't have had him as CEO for very long. It is the company he has to look after, not his image, any potential investment could be in the companies best interests.

**Runs outside to see the Blue Moon as Carl actually agrees with me once in this thread***


j/k

Originally Posted by gssixgun

**Runs outside to see the Blue Moon as Carl actually agrees with me once in this thread***


j/k

Lol it only took over 80 pages!

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Yeah sorry I can't jump on that bandwagon with you... I don't begrudge the rich if they follow the laws...

Also yer line about "Sniffing the Cheese" shows that you don't understand business to well, it would have been totally irresponsible of Mulaully as CEO of Ford to let his two biggest competitors look into a possible advantage of "Gov Money" and for him to not learn the details of the deal... Think that through a second

And yes I do have a sensitive spot when people say the "Big Three" that is just not right..
You might also take a second to research why Detriot was really in the pickle too, the biggest expense difference between Detriot and foriegn makes is the UAW and Benefits and Pension packages to the workers..

Back when this happened IIRC the comparison numbers between Toyota and GM for workers was $69 per hour per worker avg compared to $24 per worker avg.. the difference was in Benefits & Pensions ( I could be off on the exact numbers as I am going off memory and not Google)


Sorry way

Yea, way OT but what the hay there are donuts in here too. Yea, it would have been irresponsible of him not to investigate.

I always took the attitude that the company I worked for did not give me anything that they could not afford to do so in their own minds. So before pointing to the work force it might be a good idea to ask if these people that run the places and call the shots were prudent in what they thought they could afford to offer and or accept in negotiations. Lets face it in adversarial negotiations neither side offers or accepts things that do not seem beneficial to them. Yea the higher ups have the right and duty to manage properly, the flip side is that they also have the right to mismanage but not the duty to do so. Unfortunately managing poorly translates into others taking the hit not necessarily those that managed to put companies into a bad position in the first place. Sort of like saying the people whose pensions and savings were very badly hurt when Wall Streeters managed to almost collapse the system. Anyway back to regular scheduled programing.

Bob

Sailor

I think what you are talking about is that different societies view what is an "acceptable casualty rate" differently before something is viewed as a problem. If the rate becomes high enough it becomes viewed as a problem and some action may be undertaken to lessen the casualty rate. Until then there is no problem for that society no matter what others may think. Each to their own in their own home.

Bob

Respectfully, the second amendment was written at a time when arms meant flintlock muskets and single shot pistols. Did our founding fathers foresee that the day would come when a single depression of the trigger could wipe out an entire crowd? Not even Mr. Franklin's inventive mind envisioned such a thing. If we interpret their intentions to include all arms by today's definition, why not allow the public to build nuclear arms?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Maybe because here in the USA we live in a free country and our founding fathers, after defeating the British empire, gave us the 2nd amendment.

Originally Posted by BobH

Only if it is full auto. On a different note, I think most western countries have restriction of some sort on what type of knife, where and how you can carry it. Pretty sure they are banned on commercial airline flights.

Bob

I can carry a gun in Texas but I can't carry a double edge knife.